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Densmore out at Terrell HS
By Synthia Bell: synthia_bell@terrelltribune.com
After word began to spread around the campus Wednesday morning that Bob Densmore was stepping down as principal at Terrell High School, a number of students gathered outside his office Wednesday morning in hopes of convincing their favorite principal to stick around.
Students responded with mixed emotions - some said they turned out to protest Densmore's leaving while others said they were going to miss Densmore and only wanted to present him a small Valentine's heart before saying farewell.
Some students said they had been outside his office for more than 30 minutes only to be told that Densmore was not accepting visitors and was unavailable for comment.
Amanda Wood, a senior at THS, said Densmore had earlier asked all students to end the protest and return to class but she decided to stick around a while longer to see if she could at least say goodbye to her favorite principal.
Walt Davis, superintendent at Terrell ISD, confirmed Wednesday that Densmore, an eight-year veteran of the district had officially requested he be relieved of his duties at the school.
“Bob has talked to me about pursuing other educational opportunities from time to time but nothing was ever concrete,” Davis said. “He told his staff yesterday and I will be meeting with them later today to reassure them that Terrell High School will move along in a very strong fashion.”
Davis said Densmore has an interest in becoming a principle at a Class 5A high school but he is very proud of the accomplishments he has made at TISD.
“We're also very proud of the kids Densmore has helped and teachers he's impacted over the years but at the same time I am going to work with him on his decision to pursue new horizons.”
When asked about Densmore's decision to leave TISD, Charles Alderman, assistant principal at THS said he wasn't aware of Densmore's plans to pursue other educational endeavors and he would prefer not to comment on the situation altogether.
Densmore joined Terrell ISD from Hewitt Midway where he served in the same capacity. Prior to that he served with Richardson ISD as an assistant principal.
Davis said the district will determine an interim principal later Wednesday and that this person will probably be one of the current high school assistant principals.
“We will also begin looking at hiring a new principal and I want to move with all due diligence on the matter,” Davis said. “I want to visit with staff at the high school, get input from them, review our process and then make an effective determination of a time line to hire a new principal.”
Davis described Densmore as an excellent educator who he has known for the past 30 years and said he has implemented many wonderful programs at the district.
He also said that Densmore will be missed but he believes the high school has a very strong staff and students and the professionals at the school will continue the THS mission while supporting students and helping them with excellence in education.
Students responded with mixed emotions - some said they turned out to protest Densmore's leaving while others said they were going to miss Densmore and only wanted to present him a small Valentine's heart before saying farewell.
Some students said they had been outside his office for more than 30 minutes only to be told that Densmore was not accepting visitors and was unavailable for comment.
Amanda Wood, a senior at THS, said Densmore had earlier asked all students to end the protest and return to class but she decided to stick around a while longer to see if she could at least say goodbye to her favorite principal.
Walt Davis, superintendent at Terrell ISD, confirmed Wednesday that Densmore, an eight-year veteran of the district had officially requested he be relieved of his duties at the school.
“Bob has talked to me about pursuing other educational opportunities from time to time but nothing was ever concrete,” Davis said. “He told his staff yesterday and I will be meeting with them later today to reassure them that Terrell High School will move along in a very strong fashion.”
Davis said Densmore has an interest in becoming a principle at a Class 5A high school but he is very proud of the accomplishments he has made at TISD.
“We're also very proud of the kids Densmore has helped and teachers he's impacted over the years but at the same time I am going to work with him on his decision to pursue new horizons.”
When asked about Densmore's decision to leave TISD, Charles Alderman, assistant principal at THS said he wasn't aware of Densmore's plans to pursue other educational endeavors and he would prefer not to comment on the situation altogether.
Densmore joined Terrell ISD from Hewitt Midway where he served in the same capacity. Prior to that he served with Richardson ISD as an assistant principal.
Davis said the district will determine an interim principal later Wednesday and that this person will probably be one of the current high school assistant principals.
“We will also begin looking at hiring a new principal and I want to move with all due diligence on the matter,” Davis said. “I want to visit with staff at the high school, get input from them, review our process and then make an effective determination of a time line to hire a new principal.”
Davis described Densmore as an excellent educator who he has known for the past 30 years and said he has implemented many wonderful programs at the district.
He also said that Densmore will be missed but he believes the high school has a very strong staff and students and the professionals at the school will continue the THS mission while supporting students and helping them with excellence in education.
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sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:53 AM:
" maybe davis is more concerned about his job then the students?
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amazed wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:00 AM:
" I will never believe in a million years that this is Mr. Densmore's choice. What is he being made the scapegoat for? What is going in TISD? I am so thankful I have no more children in TISD - but the kids and parents deserve to know the truth. "
grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:03 AM:
" It appears there is more to this story than has been written. I believe the taxpayers of Terrell, should know the full story. "
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:06 AM:
" it all started with paul and tracey smith not getting their way with something and now they are out for blood. they want everyone fired. paul is on the school board and his wife is running in is place next year. they need to be ousted "
Just wondering wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:17 AM:
" I'm concerned about the new THS principal. Mr. Gregory hasn't been in our district very long and hasn't even attempted to move to our community. At the basketball game Tuesday night I observed him sitting in the stands talking to a few parents as Mr. Wieland and other assistant principals stood greeting students, parents and fans as they came into the gym and then they continued to monitor the crowd. When Mr. Davis came into the gym, Gregory quickly got out of the stands and began to work. Considering the hometown talent we have available here in THS, I guess I don't understaned why Mr. Davis chose Gregory. I'm sure he is capable but hasn't got a track record with our students or staff like asst. principals such as Mr. Wieland. When are we going to start tapping into the pool of good administators who want to stay in our community? "
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:19 AM:
" well it is time for the people of terrell to stand up and let them in the admin know what we want. they need to remember they work for the tax payers we pay their bills not the other way around. we are their bosses and they might need a reminder. they do all this with our tax money and so we all do have a voice, we just need to use it
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Thank God I left Terrell wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:26 AM:
" The state of education in Terrell is appalling. This is not due to the actions of the teachers or the administrators but to the town itself. Parents need to stand behind the staff and not throw the equalivent of a hissy fit every time they don't get their way. The majority of Terrell children have no concept of responsibility because parents blame everything on the administration. Parents need to grow up and stop acting like petulant teenagers. Terrell has a poor reputation as a town full of hillbillies because many of the populace act like hillbillies. "
I Know wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:32 AM:
" Mrs. Dena Risinger,PRESIDENT of the school board needs to step up on Monday 2-19-07 @ 6:30 SCHOOL BOARD MEETING and tell the tax payer(and there children) why they forced Mr. Densmore to resign. Was it a school board decision or just THE ALL POWERFUL WALT DAVIS decision. I talk to two school board member who stated that walt did not inform the board of anything major going on. WALT is acting alone (With Mrs. Burr-Mr. Campbell-Mrs Green) and they all need to go!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Gregory Who wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:36 AM:
" Who is this Gregory? Why are we just now hearing about him? Is it true he doesn't even live in Terrell? I have never seen him and wonder why he would be considered as a "interim" principal. Please teachers, respond and give us your opinion. "
unbelieveable wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:37 AM:
" Well, now that someone has opened this can of worms, indeed the Smith's are behind it all. I hope that the voters will remember this when election time comes. As sad day wrote, we are their bosses, not the other way around. And for everyone to not know the truth about the whole ordeal is insane. Also, Davis is covering his hinny by bringing another assistant principal from the district to THS to take Gregory's place. This replacement for Gregory has filed a discrimination lawsuit against the district for being passed over when the assistant principals were hired this year. Go figure--Densmore can't stay at the high school as principal, but he can be placed in two other schools as principal!?!? Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture? "
THS Grad & Teacher wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:44 AM:
" To the writer of GREGORY WHO, as a teacher here at THS, I was very dissappointed in the selection. My heart hurts for Mr. Densmore, but I am very, very dissappointed in the Central Office for chosing Mr. Gregory. I will not speak on behalf of my fellow co-workers (teachers) but I was hoping for Mr. Wieland. "
Info from staff member wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:48 AM:
" Mr. Gregory is in his second year at THS and has done a good job as an AP. He doesn't live in Terrell or the surrounding area. I do not recall which school he was working prior to his hire here, but he has been in education a long time. He is in charge of attendance at THS and has done well in bringing attendance under control. THS attendance numbers are the highest in the district this year. He was acting principal during Mr. Densmore's absence for health reasons in the 05-06 school year and handled those responsibilities well. I respect him and think he will do a good job as interim principal. Mr. Gregory is fair and consistent. I do not, however, understand the reasoning behind not offering the position to Mr. Wieland (meaning no disrespect to Mr. Gregory), who certainly has seniority on the campus and would certainly do a good job as well. "
Correction wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:51 AM:
" I was under the impression that it was Mr. Wieland who was the "acting" principal during Mr. D's sick leave...... "
Correction wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:55 AM:
" Maybe it was...I was told that Mr. Gregory was so I could have been misinformed. Either way, they both could do a good job, but I think it is odd that they didn't offer the interim position to Mr. Wieland. "
Correction Away wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:59 AM:
" Well, when you consider Mr. Davis and all of his prior decisions it is not strange that Mr. Wieland has been passed over. Again, Mr. Davis wants to bring in his own people (regardless if it is what his teachers and students want) to our community. "
THS Tchr wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:11 AM:
" To Correction and Info from Staff Member...Mr. Wieland was the one who was in charge while Mr. Densmore was absent last year. He did a superb job and I think he's been treated unfairly in this situation. "
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:14 AM:
" to unbeliveable that is correct the smiths started all this mess because they did not get what they wanted because they broke the rules. and tisd employees work for the citizens of terrell weather they like it or not maybe they need a little reminder. the people of terrell have sat back for way to long and let everyone in charge of this town do what they want from city hall to the schools and none of us have gotten up and spoken out.
and in response to the perspn who said " This replacement for Gregory has filed a discrimination lawsuit against the district for being passed over when the assistant principals were hired this year."
i heard from someone at ths that they said also that they were needing someone not so white as head of the high school. now that is hear say so you know how that is in terrell.
so i am not sure about that
however gregory is a very nice man and i like him but wieland ahouls have gotten it he has been here much longer and the kids love him as well.
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grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:23 AM:
" I believe the people of Terrell need to assemble at the admin building and demand an answer from Davis. Seems as though Davis may be out of control. "
just wondering wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:35 AM:
" My concern is that we lose another great administrator, such as Mr. Wieland, because of being passed over for the position. We already lost Randy Perry to another district and this was a man who had dedicated years of his career to the students in TISD. I'm sure he never intended to leave here but realized he had no future unless he left. Let the school board members know about our choices for key positions. We don't know everything going on in the district, but I bet we know more than administration believes. I think Mr. Davis is trying to do a good job. I have no problem with him but I feel Mr. Wieland was done a disservice and would like to see it corrected. "
star95 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:49 AM:
" only hire Mr. Gregory if want a principal that is going to be strong and not cower down to parents or kids. By all means, get somebody who is weak again tries to please everybody. That has worked so well for the last eight years. "
Amazing wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Funny how everyone thinks that they know all of the answers....and really NONE of us know ALL of the facts!!! "
grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:13 AM:
" It is true we don't know all of the facts and there are some facts we should not know. But we would know more if the administration would be more open about issues. We don't need to hear about being private and protecting people, we need know what is happening. It is our money and our kids. "
Concerned teacher wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:25 AM:
" I teach here in Terrell ISD and from inside sources the truth is being hidden from everyone in TISD.
1. Densmore resigns...why?
2. The source said because of the incident w/ the seniors at THS on 2/10: seniors were out in the community during school hours, pictures were taken and Densmore took the blame.
3. In order for him not to get more in trouble.. he decided just to leave..or in this case made to leave.
4. Everyone including the students know that Densmore would never leave. He has been very productive in his administrative role and w/ the students.
5. Numeorous students will be in the next school board meeting protesting and demanding for Densmore to reconsider his decision and that the truth be told to everyone.
6. The issue w/ Gregory and senorityn and the community not liking him well thats another issue. It is true that other AP have been here longer, but the decision of who will be the next THS interem principal should be left upon:
1. School Board
2. Walt Davis
3. Site based committe- teachers, parents and students
Select someone from here in TISD- w/ secondary administrative experience considering:
1. Years at TISD
2. Evaluate admnistrative leadership style and what "fits" to the TISD community.
7. Both Densmore and Davis have been doing productive things here at TISD. Let's make sure that the next school board meeting doesn't run till 2 a.m last time.
Everyone deserves to be told the truth and that't it. "
concerned wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:26 AM:
" We will NEVER know the whole truth which I believe is a sad thing. BUT we must not lose sight of what is really important. (THE KIDS)!!!! They need every one, staff, school board and community to stand together for their futures. "
just wondering wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:35 AM:
" I believe Mr. Davis made the decision to promote Mr. Gregory because he is a good administrator. I just hate that we may lose another good TISD educator because he wasn't considered for the job. "
grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:40 AM:
" Regarding the involvement of teachers and students picking the next principal. I am not sure that is a real good idea. Picking of the boss should not be a popularity contest which could be the case if teachers and students are involved. "
Concerned teacher wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:43 AM:
" Grandpa- The site based committe by Texas law must include selected few teachers , parents and students. That is the law check under TEA web page it will tell you... "
GABI wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:46 AM:
" Usually principals have to attend school functions. How many football games did Mr. Gregory attend this year?? I would hate to be him right now!!!! Did WALT ever think about the kids??????? "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:54 AM:
" There is a reason that we will never know the whole truth. At the end of the day, Densmore is an employee just like anyone else that has a job and he has rights to privacy by law. It is the job of the administration to protect those rights. If he was indeed asked to resign, the administration can not tell us why. That would be a violation of his rights as an employee. Even though we are taxpayers, some things we do not have the right by law to know. That aside, I have no doubt that Densmore loves the kids of THS and they love him. Sometimes that is not enough. There is such a thing as loving or caring to a fault. We can love our kids, but we still have to enforce rules and maintain a consistent level of discipline. Kids are always going to love someone who lets them break the rules with no consequences. We have to think about the teachers as well. They need someone that will support them and not cut their legs out from under them. We cannot continue to have the rate of turnover at the high school as we have seen in the past few years. One last comment, we all know that one man is not the cause for all the problems in the district, but they have to start somewhere. Someone has to be first. Let's hope this is the first step of many to come to improve our district. "
Karma wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:57 AM:
" As parents of high school students, we have had dealings with both Densmore and Wieland. Mr. Wieland was very courteous and extremely helpful in a tough situation. By his actions, we could tell that he was genuinely concerned about the needs and well being of our children. Densmore, Walt Davis, and Campbell have been deceptive, uncooperative and untruthful on more than one occasion. Maybe this is the beginning of a transformation of our district that is sorely needed. It would be a shame, indeed to lose a deserving, talented, compasionate man like Wieland. "
always politics wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:13 AM:
" It seems like for the last few years Mr. Wieland has been passed up for several principal jobs and now appears to be another political move that doesnt go his way. People that have grown up and Terrell and have followed Mr. Wieland and his career just dont understand. I dont believe anyone has ever had the guts either to come out and say why he keeps getting passed up. Mr. Wieland shouldnt be hired because he is just a nice guy. I understand that. If you look at his resume, you will see that he has a Master Degree, and hold a Superintendent certification also. He has many years with Terrell ISD and probably could have left Terrell to go somewhere else many years ago. the thing is, this is his hometown. His parents were pricipals here. His kids go to school here. He cares about the kids and has made it well known that he likes it here. So, when does he get his chance? Do we keep bringing in people from out of district that have no roots and ties to this community? People that could care less as long as they get a paycheck? I believe the hometown politics have worked in the favor of alot of people in the school district. And, in my opinion it should. Local people that have a vested interest here should be considered first. Jeff Moore, Beverly Burr, Judy Moss, etc. have all been promoted and are all local folks. Everytime Mr. Wieland gets passed over, no one can tell us why that happened. Evidentally the school board is now showing their power by the resignation of Mr. Densmore. Why cant they show their power in another way by making a decision to hire Mr. Wieland? If they dont, then more power to him in leaving. Maybe if he starting going to the First Baptist Church then he would get the job. It seems that is the place where all the administrators go to be seen on Sunday. Or let me clarify, Just about all administrators go to church there. HMMM... interesting . School board members get elected for a reason. They are expected to step up and no matter how hard the decision is, they need to make the right one. Ultimately, they have the power to hire or suggest who needs to get hired. Please go to your schoolboard member and tell them that Mr. wieland needs to be the next prinipal at THS. They wanted to be elected so if you dont like their decision, then tell them. You dont have to vote for the the next time. Mr. Wieland, be sure and go to church with Dr. Burr on Sunday. Seems she got eerybody else a job. To the hometown people that are now on the schoolboard... shame on you for letting someone pass up on a good man for this long. You can change it and make it right, IF YOU WANT TO. "
THS grad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:21 AM:
" Thank you Parent. Your comments were well stated and on target. If we truly want our students to excel in life, we must instill the desire to excell in school. Being satisfied with a passing grade or passing the TAKS is not enough. Hopefully the change in leadership at THS is the beginning of a new era in Terrell. Thank you Mr. Davis for making a difficult but correct decision.
"
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:23 AM:
" i agree schuck took bobs place when he was out sick with health problems and did a stand up job. so why is shuck being passed up again? schuck really cares about our kids in this town he cares about terrell so again why has walt passed him up for a new comer again. i do not blame schuck if he leaves and it will be a sad day for terrell isd if he does. we keep losing good local people who really care about our town because the admin wants all outsiders
that makes no sense, they do not care for terrell like a local person does
"
unbelieveable wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:30 AM:
" Something that I can't understand is why has an interim principal been named at this time?? Mr. Densmore's resignation has only been submitted. It has not been voted on yet, and will not be until Monday night. With enough support at that meeting from students, faculty, community just maybe the resignation would not be accepted! Is anyone planning to be at that meeting Monday?? "
# wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:35 AM:
" We should get all those in favor of densmore lot leaving to show up at the school board meeting... "
DONT JUST TYPE IT wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:40 AM:
" I have read these comments and can only hope people that take the time to type here will attend the school board meeting, speak your mind, support our kids, our teachers, and Mr. Densmore. My son went through TISD, and Mr. Densmore was there for him more times than I can remember, that man was fair, dealt him punishment and my son respects him and appreciates him for what he did and continued to try and do for all the students at THS. It is long over due for Terrell Citizens to come together and stop the "Click" in Terrell, AREN'T YOU NOT SICK OF A FEW PEOPLE RUNNING THIS TOWN??? GET OUT AND STOP IT COME TO THE MEETING SUPPORT YOUR KIDS IN THIS DECISION GET THE TRUTH!! "
meeting wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:54 AM:
" when is the next school board meeting? and is it open to all? "
Info wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:03 PM:
" 02-19-2007 Monday
District: School Board Meeting 6:30p.m.
Meetings
Regular meetings of the TISD Board are scheduled for the third Monday of the month at 6:30 p.m. in the Board Room at the Administration Building, 700 North Catherine Street, Terrell.
Exceptions: January 22, 2007, March 26, 2007, and April 23, 2007
Special meetings are held at the Board President's discretion or on request of two or more Board members with 72-hours notice required.
Emergency meetings are scheduled when the Board President or two or more members determine an emergency or urgent public necessity exists with two-hours notification required.
The official agenda is posted at the Administration Building no later than 72 hours prior to the meeting. The agenda is sent to all campuses, the Terrell Tribune, KYPK, City of Terrell, Chamber of Commerce and the presidents of teacher organizations operating within the school district.
In accordance with Texas Open Meetings Act, no item can be placed on the agenda less than 72 hours prior to the meeting except in an emergency.
Board Policy Manual
http://www.tasb.org/policy/pol/private/129906/ "
Long gone wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:08 PM:
" Small town drama, drama, drama. Remember the good ole' days when High School was fun and there were never any 'scandals'? Those days seem to be long gone. And from what I hear (from some inside sources), the HS is not the only campus that has it's problems. While I loved growing up in Terrell and being apart of it all, there is now way I would ever allow any of my children to step into ANY school. The quality of education is just unacceptable at every school. "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:12 PM:
" We have to remember that just because Mr. Densmore is a good man, it doesn't mean he is right for our district at this time. We as parents need to demand excellence from our administrators and our kids. We have lost so many kids to other schools because of the lack of consistency and discipline. I fear for my kids' safety some days, because of the things that go on in our schools. We need leaders that will raise the bar, not just with grades and scores, but also with regards to respect for others and respest for authority. Unfortunately we as parents are to blame for alot of what is going on now. No one wants to believe that their child is not perfect. But we all know that no one is. We all want to scream when the school tries to discipline our children because we haven't done our jobs at home. That is why we have the situation we find ourselves in now. We have created an environment where leaders don't want to act and just try to passify everyone. You can not run a school that way. Unfortunately the good kids are suffering for those few that don't want to follow the rules. "
hurray wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:14 PM:
" Long Gone, I agree with you on your comment. The middle school had 3 boys jump the son of last year's athletic director Mr. York. The school decided not to punish the boys so he left and went to Kaufman. Thsi year, same thing. Last week, a 7th grader was beaten up by three other seventh grade boys. He had a cracked tooth and was knocked out for a few minutes. I think the boys got written up and that was it. they should have gotten the book thrown at them, but you know how it goes. Drama and politics. If you dont know about it, then it didnt happen on campus. You are right, other campuses are having trouble. "
Dear Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:16 PM:
" I agree with you on we have to have a higher standard. It starts from the top and goes down. When the school board lets everyone know what they expect and make the tough decisions, then it will change. As long as it is just a game to everyone and nothing is done, you will get the same result. "
To: always politics wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:16 PM:
" I have been wondering how long it would take before someone brought out the fact that a majority of the TISD Board Members and Administrators go to First Baptist Churh of Terrell. It is common knowledge among most people that attend FBC that TISD board and admin members run the show there too. I have been privy to a number of conversations about how the past and present pastors have been told that if they push a Christian education, ie. Terrell Christian Academy, Poetry Community Christian School, etc., that the TISB board and admin members will either leave the church or withhold monies from the church. Isn't it funny that when the new pastor came on board at FBC that the church administration did nothing to help them put their three children into a Christian school rather than a school filled with violence, drugs and anti Christian values. Just goes to show you what a bunch of hypocrites they are at FBC. For my family we will stick with Cornerstone Baptist. "
To Hawk wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:26 PM:
" i wonder if there is a dress code or lockerless campuses in Highland Park? Is it because of this??? "
THS Staff Member wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:29 PM:
" To the person who wrote about THS being a school full of violence and non Christian Values I am EXTREMELY offended. Myself and many staff members are good christians who promote good values to our students. We work very hard to provide a safe and happy atmosphere for our students. They are not just the children of the parents in this town, they are our children too and we love them all. I give all of myself to my students and expect excellence from all my students. Bob Densmore promoted love and Christian values at this school. I know very few people that are as brave or as Christian as Mr. Densmoer. Shame on you for being so unchristian and pointing fingers when you don't know what it is like at this school. I am proud to work at this school and I love working here. I love the students here and I will always work to keep these children safe. "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:30 PM:
" It sounds like to me that they have made a tough decision. I don't believe any one on that board thinks this is a game. We are talking about the future of our children here. There is no glamour in the job of a school board member. They don't get paid for what they do. It is a heavy load that they carry. We as citizens should be talking to our board members and telling them what we want. It is their job to listen to the people that voted them into office. "
To THS Staff Member wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:32 PM:
" Get to work.... You shouldnt be on the Internet right now.. Dont you have a fight to break up at lunch time or pick up the marijuana that was left in the restroom? Bob can repent on Sunday with Dr. Burr at church. "
Dear Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:34 PM:
" I aprreciate your comment. I too feel we need to talk to our school board members. We should also make sure they follow through on our suggestions and not keep the same thing going on. "
Ashamed wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:35 PM:
" Has anyone thought about Mr.Gregorys race (no disrespect to him) I believe he has the requirements and the leadership but why do you think Davis is making the decisions hes making "
To last commment wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:35 PM:
" That was rude !!! Why don't you just show up at school and actually see what school are about instead of just making fun of people on the internet "
decision wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:38 PM:
" Shuck Wieland is more qualified then anyone to take the new position. He is White , No disrespect to him either. I dont know. Ask Walt who he is going to hire and if race has anything to do with it. I bet I know what his answer is. "
ASK wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:41 PM:
" Everyone just go the meeting on Mon and stop wasting your time posting messages here. "
Dear ASK wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:44 PM:
" I don't think that posting messages here is a waste of time. You better believe that the school administrators and board members will be monitoring this site for feedback. "
THS alumn wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:45 PM:
" The problem with the school board is they don't want someone who comes in and disciplines the students, because that upsets the parents. They would rather sweep everything under a rug...the problem is still there, but they don't have to worry about it for a while. Remember Mr. Garrett? He came in and got things under control. He was gone after 2 years. Replaced by Mr. Densmore. If what Concerned Teacher said is true, parents probably got upset about the students being out of class during the day. So, to avoid the conflict with parents, they'd just rather have Mr. Densmore "resign" now. My question: why in the middle of the year? Why not wait until June, when you can avoid the controversy? "
Dear ask wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:46 PM:
" What do you think of:
Concerned teacher wrote on February 15, 2007 10:25 AM:
"I teach here in Terrell ISD and from inside sources the truth is being hidden from everyone in TISD. 1. Densmore resigns...why? 2. The source said because of the incident w/ the seniors at THS on 2/10: seniors were out in the community during school hours, pictures were taken and Densmore took the blame. 3. In order for him not to get more in trouble.. he decided just to leave..or in this case made to leave. 4. Everyone including the students know that Densmore would never leave. He has been very productive in his administrative role and w/ the students. 5. Numeorous students will be in the next school board meeting protesting and demanding for Densmore to reconsider his decision and that the truth be told to everyone. 6. The issue w/ Gregory and senorityn and the community not liking him well thats another issue. It is true that other AP have been here longer, but the decision of who will be the next THS interem principal should be left upon: 1. School Board 2. Walt Davis 3. Site based committe- teachers, parents and students Select someone from here in TISD- w/ secondary administrative experience considering: 1. Years at TISD 2. Evaluate admnistrative leadership style and what "fits" to the TISD community. 7. Both Densmore and Davis have been doing productive things here at TISD. Let's make sure that the next school board meeting doesn't run till 2 a.m last time. Everyone deserves to be told the truth and that't it."
"
Dear THS alumn wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:48 PM:
" The concerned teacher comment is 100 true- the source is inside THS. "
Livid wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:50 PM:
" I have continued to read all the comments posted here and have two things to say....
1) Actions speak louder than words..show up at the Board Meeting Monday night!!!!!!!!!
2) Why doesn't the Tribune include these comments in the paper itself. Some people don't know about this site and don't even have a computer. I would like to see the Tribune post ALL of these comments!!!!!!! I don't think I have ever read anything in the paper about "negative" issues concerning the TISD or the indidual schools. Why is that?????? "
Dear THS Alumn wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:50 PM:
" Your comment "...they don't want someone who comes in and disciplines the students, because that upsets the parents." That is Densmore's style. Maybe that is why he is out. Just maybe that is what they are looking for and thus his resignation. "
TO:THS Staff Member wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:51 PM:
" It seems to me that you have to much free time at work, given that you can take the time to read these posts. We as taxpayers are NOT paying you or anyone else within the TISD to read thse post or any others. Wonder what else you are logging into while on the clock. GET BACK TO WORK OR GET OFF THE CLOCK. "
Livid wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:52 PM:
" I have emailed already to the editor and school news paper the info "
Concerned wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:58 PM:
" To the person that attends Cornerstone Church, I will pray for you. It appears that you have a very angry heart. May God bless you! "
student at THS wrote on Feb 15, 2007 12:59 PM:
" Mr D is probably the best principal in the state. He actually gives people a second chance like with the seniors he was willing to look the other way just this once and the next time they probably would've been in trouble. So if your going to say stuff about him make sure you know how big of an effect he has had on all the kids he has been over. Me personally he has made my first year a lot easier by helping me find differnt stuff such as clubs like key club. "
look at the time wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:05 PM:
" To all of you who are complaining about the THS staff being on this site look at the times. The staff is allowed a lunch hour and most of those comments were made during their lunch. I believe that staff also gets to have a break or two as well, just like you do at your job. Maybe you should get back to work and stop waisting your employers time and money. "
Livid wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:12 PM:
" To the individual that is so concerned about the TISD staff members taking time to read and comment....
SHAME ON YOU...AT LEAST THEY CARE AND
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU DOING RIGHT NOW????
Most of these teachers/staff work for very little money and do the job because that is what they love, and the kids. I encourage ALL TISD staff to step up to the plate. I am a tax-payer and I don't mind a bit that you are spending my money fighting for what you believe in. "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:17 PM:
" I agree with "Livid"'s last comment. Part of the problem has been that no one is listening to the teachers. Why do you think so many have left the district. They are the one's that we are asking to teach our children. The least we can do is get their input. "
To Unemployed wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:23 PM:
" Excuse me, are you joking???? If you aren't then you are part of the problem. I have lived in Terrell all my life and have always worked. "
Livid wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:33 PM:
" I think a more approriate title for this article would be "Densmore OUSTED at THS!!!!!!!!!!! "
THS grad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:33 PM:
" Parent, you're comments are so very valuable. Please conside running for the school board. We need voices like yours. "
Students wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:37 PM:
" Everyone is forgetting the most important people in TISD which are the students. The only ones who are truly hurting are the students. We all need to PRAY because we have to remember that the students will have to take TAKS test next week. TISD your timing is really bad. I challenge everyone to pray for five mutes every day at noon for the Students. "
Whoever wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:47 PM:
" The students are planning a protest tomorrow by wearing black shirts. The news crews are supposed to be here too. This is going to turn into a circus! The kids will get in trouble because they will not be in dress code. Every one of them will be unfocused for next weeks tests. The school board meeting next week was supposed to approve a new mission statement for the district and discuss all the positive plans that were created in the strategic planning committe a couple of weeks ago. I really hope that this will not totally overshadow that progress!!!! "
Cary Harwell wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:50 PM:
" I'm not going to hide behind a screen name and talk about the TISD. Here it is. I have lived and worked most of my life in and around Terrell. I have an education from Terrell and North Texas. With my education I could have gone and worked many different places, but I didn't. I wanted Terrell to be my home. People were saying the same things about education back when I got out of high school 1983. If the education is so bad how can so many kids get into so many colleges and universities all across the United States. There have been many good students to go on and become very successful Terrellites. I want to take the time to thank the staff members that were there for me and them.... But that was years ago and now is now... I have not been a supporter of some of the TISD administators in the past few years, but there are many people in the administators office that I do support. I have not been a big supporter of Mr. Densmore or Mr. Davis. Thats not to say they have very hard jobs to do. Many High School staffers (new and old) didn't think that they had the support of Mr. Densmore and that is why many of them left. When Mr. London left I personally would have liked to have seen a different choice than Mr. Davis, but that was the choice that was made. So we all need to work together to get the main problems worked out, we are doing this for the children of the school district .....Who I do highly respect is Mr. Wieland. He also had other jobs before he came back to Terrell to raise his family. He also could have gone somewhere else to live, but he didn't. I went to school with him and his sister. Both of his parents worked in the Terrell ISD for many years. They were both well liked and respected. It is not right when a person like Mr. Wieland is overlooked again and again for positions that he not only deserves, but is made for....We have already lost one good person in Mr. Randy Perry. Do we have to lose another one before the board can get it right. The problems are there to be fixed, it is up the Members of the School Board and not Mr. Davis at this time to fix the problems. "
ashamed wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:56 PM:
" the students have a jean day tom for their valentines dance so they won't be out of dress code if they decide they want to wear black shirts for mr.D good for them.I just thought you should know the kids wont get in trouble mr. D would not let or want them to do that. "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 1:57 PM:
" Let's hope and pray that our students can find a way to voice their opinions without breaking rules. Students: Use this as an opportunity to rise above the chaos. Is this what you want people to think you have learned, to break the rules to get what you want, because there are no consequences. Use a means of free speech that you can be proud of. "
Stacy Wieland wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:02 PM:
" I want to thank all of the supporters of my husband. Being passed over many times is quite a blow, but seeing the support in writing is comforting. All he wants to do is focus on the students and make the rest of the year as smooth as possible. Amen, Carey!! "
grad of tisd wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:03 PM:
" Maybe the reason MR.WALT DAVIS AND HIS GANG is so powerful is because our (at large 2008)school board president Dena Risinger and the rest of the board is scared of WALT DAVIS. We will see Monday when the board vote to accept Mr. Densmore forced resignation. The board need to force Walt Davis to resign and take tisd in a better direction of TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!walt davis is a lair and he is lying on Mr. Densmore now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Becky Nitschke wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:06 PM:
" Carey very well said. It would probably behoove Mr. Davis to read this board as well as the School Board. "
A fresh perspective wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:14 PM:
" To the people who look to politics and cry foul: yes, politics will always be involved, especially in a small town. You can't avoid it here, though it could be another way...
To the people who say that only someone from the community should be hired: would you ever get a different perspective on education that way? Try another method of thinking...
To the people who say one church over another 'runs' the district: separation of church and state, period. Accusing one and promoting another is doing the exact same thing that you are accusing others of. That doesn't belong here...
To those that say the board and Superintendent should hear and consider the opinions of all the stakeholders: you're right. Just don't push any agenda other than this one...
To everyone: let's imagine that the district is run like a company and handle it that way. A company has a mission statement that should always be followed and could be consulted for the answer to any question. Here's one: "The mission of TISD is to provide an effective education system to prepare our students to become lifelong learners who are responsible, productive and participating members of the community, state and nation in which they live." (yes, it might need a few edits but the idea still holds). What if we looked at that for this situation, applied its mandate, and decided what is best for our KIDS? What if we actually let that guide us? Drop everything else and focus on that. It's fine that you have an opinion in this (say thank you to those that protect the freedom to choose and have an opinion!) as long as your MOTIVE is the kids' best interests, not your own or your group's. Apply that idea to the decision that has been made here, and THEN decide whether or not the right thing was done. Only THEN will you have a VALID opinion! "
support wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:17 PM:
" my child has will be in black to support mr. densmore with my permission "
BN wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:19 PM:
" I would like to thank the paper for providing us the venue for venting and would also like to recommend "THE" for a children's book competition - useless but very creative. Since in all probability Mr. Densmore cannot rescind his resignation, I would sincerely hope that Mr. Davis and the School Board will recommend Mr. Wieland as the High School needs a qualified person which is also highly respected by the staff and students. Let us all attend the school board meeting with open minds and the intention of using the time to secure the future not dwell on the past. "
Shuck Wieland is not qualified. wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:25 PM:
" Totally uncharismatic and unable to relate to the students. There's a reason he gets keep getting passed over. "
To Whoever wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:26 PM:
" Did anyone get the 2nd part of that..."The school board meeting next week was supposed to approve a new mission statement for the district and discuss all the positive plans that were created in the strategic planning committe a couple of weeks ago. I really hope that this will not totally overshadow that progress!!!!" The mission statement to be approved will most definitely put the old one to shame.
"
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:26 PM:
" To "Support": You are a poster child for my point early. It all starts at home. If the parents teach their kids to get what they want by breaking the rules, then how can we expect the kids to know right from wrong. There are ways to show your support without feeling the need to break the rules. I know we are only talking about a black shirt in this case, but this is a prime example of why teachers and administrators struggle every day to teach our kids respect. "
The wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:32 PM:
" I guess political satire is not appriacted nor understood here. The moderator of this site should take another look at my entry, then look at the others haters who are constantly bickering here. "
Teach2 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:39 PM:
" How are all these well meaning individuals be so far off track. I have heard several responses and they pretty much appear misinformed. Well, let me tell you that I am in the trenches with these educators. Just because Mr. Wieland grew up in Terrell doens't make him the right choice for the job. He already has his preconceived notions and his "clique". How many times has he probably said, "If I were principal, that wouldn't happen or I would do this?" Let the board make a decision and hopefully they will hire from outside the district. "
amazed wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:39 PM:
" I personally do not know about the "incident" on Monday - but if the administration is blaming Mr. Densmore because some students decided to skip school and get in trouble, let's put the blame where it belongs - on the students. No one made them choose the path they took - they need to take responsibility for their actions and the parents not blame someone else - put the blame where it belongs - on the students. "
Elizabeth wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:40 PM:
" What bitterness all around! Yes, there is hurt, but this page just reads like poison. Please pray for the students and staff. This kind of a change is significant in their world. I taught at THS when Garrett left 2 weeks before school was out. It was a hard time to work and was hard on the kids. I pray that wisdom will prevail in the decisions that follow. And somewhere, I hope we can teach our kids how to resolve conflicts without being ugly. "
To Stacey Wieland wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:42 PM:
" We are pulling for Shuck. In fact, I wrote supporting him this morning. I am "always politics". Enough is Enough and I too am glad that everyone is writing good things about him because I will see that this doesnt go away if it doesnt turn out right this time. School Board, wake the up and hire the right person this time!!!! He desrves it.. Sen. "
FLASH BACK wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:46 PM:
" I THINK THE QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK OURSELF IS, WHAT WOULD GEORGE PARRISH DO? "
HS Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:49 PM:
" We seem to forget that our educators have held themselves up as ethical and morally justified individuals. Our children never pay so much attention as when we step out of line, then act as if it didn't happen. Next, the higher ups try and "teach" them by preaching their convenient "morality". The only way our children will learn is for those in "authority" to start walkin' the walk, not just talkin' the talk. High school aged kids are alot more aware than we give them credit for. Even when they appear to not care less. The current administration is the last people I would want my children to emulate. "
support wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:49 PM:
" TO PARENT Dr. king broke rules when he march. If you don't stand for what you beleive in you will fall for anything. You have to teach your kids right from wrong but sometime you have to let them learn on there on. BREAKING RULES IS NOT ALWAYS WRONG WHEN YOU ARE STANDING FOR WHAT YOU BELEIVE IN AND NOT HIDING BEHIND SOMEONE ELSE. "
Grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:56 PM:
" At the suggestion of the concerned teacher, I checked the TEA web page. I knew I would find the site based committee was a law and I knew teachers and students were to be included. That is exactly what I found. However, involvement in the selection of the school administration is not listed among the duties of the committee. Site based committee needs to handle its responsibilities and leave the selection of administration to those with lawful authority to do so, that is school board and superintendent. "
To Teach 2 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 2:56 PM:
" you sound like you didnt grow up here either. Mr. Wieland is definitely qualified. Maybe you need to find another job out of Terrell. The fact of the matter is, if we let the board hire who they want and not give our opinions we keep getting the same result. Locals are sick of it and we are ready to take back our schools. They had their chance to make it right. As far as someone saying Mr. Wieland is not qualified, I guess a Master's from Texas A&M plus a Superintendents certificate and over 10 years experience shouldnt qualify him huh? The new interim has less time and experience with Terrell so answer that one. Maybe he goes to church with everyone else too. "
Everyone wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:02 PM:
" Now everyone for the record if anyone wants to check and educators/principal/ etc.. go to SBEC and type in a person name and see thier credentials:
https://secure.sbec.state.tx.us/SBECONLINE/virtcert.asp
"
Thanks Grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:02 PM:
" i appreciate you looking that up. In both cases that Mr. Wieland has been passed up on principal positions, the site base committee recommended him for the job. upper admin. told Mr. Wieland that he didnt make it past the committee. You are right. Forget the committee and let the upper admin do the hiring. The school board needs to get involved though. So who has been lying to Mr. Wieland and not giving him his job? "
To; Shuck Wieland is not qualified wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:05 PM:
" Could you give me examples of Mr. Wieland not relating to kids? I have heard a different story. "
>>>>> wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:07 PM:
" Monday had nothing to do with Bob's sudden departure. He was talking about " a career change" in church on Sunday. "
hmmmm wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:09 PM:
" believe what u want to. You dont think this was planned? R U another administrator that goes to church there? "
No wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:10 PM:
" A person very close to him was saying it all was because of the students skipping school and he took the blame hiding it under the "career change" "
Member of City of Terrell wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:19 PM:
" To all of you, we appreciate all of your comments. "
Grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:21 PM:
" After continuing to read all of the comments, I am afraid this siutation may get out of hand and leave our district in a mess. We have to remember that Densmore will move on, but the students are still here and the town will have to clean up the mess that is being made. I agree with Cary that Davis was not the man for the job, but he got the job now we have to work with him or work to get him out of the job without leaving a mess to be cleaned up by the board and future administration. "
Conspiracy everywhere wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:27 PM:
" I know Cary Harwell, who used to know a Baptist, who knows Shuck Weiland, who works with Mr. Gregory, who knows Paul Smith, who knows Walt Davis, who knows Bob Desnmore who is the topic of this article. Now, how did we get to Cary Harwell again? "
Wondering here... wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:28 PM:
" Does anyone believe that Paul and Tracey Smith will show up to the meeting on Monday night? "
TO: hmmmm wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:31 PM:
" No I am not another administrator that goes to chuch there, as you call it. I am a parent of a child that goes to TCA. I wouldn't let my child set foot in one of Terrell crumby schools. All I was saying is that in Sunday school class Sunday morning Bob asked for our prayers to help him with the posibility of a career change. And the last I heard Sunday comes before Monday so if whatever happened on Monday might have cemented Bob's leaving he was already thinking of moving on before Monday incident. And yes I do go to churc at FBC and plan on doing so fort a long time. "
TO ALWAYS POLITICS: wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:31 PM:
" Mr. Wieland is not a politician. He doesn't B.S. THAT'S WHY HE IS PASSED OVER!! He is honest and just there to do his job and from what I hear he does it well. And as for charisma??? This isn't Hollywood!!!! "
don't care wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:34 PM:
" does anyone now days have to work? it seems like too many of you don't have enough to do but to blog.. get a life. "
Grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:38 PM:
" I am always amused at people such as "don't care" that get on the computer join into a blog, but critize the people who are blogging. Seems like a double standard. And by the way I don't work, I worked 45 years so I could sit at home and blog. Happy blogging. "
Grandpa 2 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:45 PM:
" I worked for 75 years in education and all other areas. Therefore I am an authoritative source on any issue. Wieland is a jerk. "
to don't care wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:45 PM:
" we have a life, because we care. for the people that don't care. get out.
"
bn wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:47 PM:
" AGAIN, please attend the board meeting with open minds - the resignation of Mr. Densmore is now history and apparently what he wants. NOW focus on the future and the ability to keep qualified educators and administration here in Terrell. If not, I hope Mr. Davis will write a glowing referral letter for the rest of them as he stated he would do for Mr. Densmore. "
We are NOT pulling for shuck, wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:48 PM:
" He's a stuck up good ole' boy more interesting in standing around mumbling than doing any actual work. "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:55 PM:
" I hate to see Bob go. He is a very nice guy and a great Christian man that I have had the pleasure of knowing. I wish the best of luck to him, Letta and Addie in the future, they will be missed in this community.
For you others who have attacked the school board, the administrators and the teachers. How can you really believe that they are the problem? TISD is made up of many, many individuals that give their heart and soul to those children. I am a graduate of TISD and I personally have benefited in my life because of many of these people. If you want to get down to the real problem with Terrell, you need to take a look in the mirror. Not only is Terrell the one of the most small minded towns in Texas, but the school district does not have the support of enough parents. Go to a Tigers football game and take a look around you. Are these the kids that you want running your community in the future? The school board and teachers didn't raise these children, the parents did. TAKS scores aren't low because the teachers and administrators didn't try, it's because you sent your child out to play instead of reading them a book or getting them to go to school for tutoring which is always available. I personally feel ashamed to read this board and see people attacking schools and churches. Show up Monday night at the meeting, I'll be there in support of our school district. Take a minute to look inward and see what you could have done differently other than just sending your kids to free day care called TISD. Good teaching does not make up for bad parenting!!
"
Elizabeth wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:58 PM:
" How has this turned into a debate over Mr. Wieland? I worked with him for 4 or 5 years and found him to be a valued colleague. Regardless of my opinion, why is there such fierce debate over someone not even in the article? I pray he takes these comments with a grain of salt, if he reads them. He certainly didn't ask for a public examination of his character today. "
Conspiracy everywhere wrote on Feb 15, 2007 3:59 PM:
" Most of you know me, and most of me knows you when I see you. Keep in mind that we are a group and so am I. With this group we can work together or get out. Either way, would not that be better? In the long run it is impossible to say what and who will be running the schools but if I had my choice it would be listed in alphabetical order, Burr-Davis-Densmore-Parrish-Weiland. What now? "
Parent wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:10 PM:
" I hope everyone will read the comments by "Charles Anderson". I couldn't agree with you more and will also be at the meeting on Monday night to support our school district. "
Stupid things happen wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:23 PM:
" As a parent of two children at THS I'm really concerned about how this will affect them and all the student at the school. The announcement from Densmore really took the kids by suprise. Both my kids really liked Densmore and respected him. Both my kids were told by adults at the school that he was asked to leave, step down, fired what ever you would like to call it, because when the our graduating seniors did not come to class, Densmore did not take roll that day, therefore TISD did not get paid since there was no roll. I'm sure the TISD took a big hit on that one. So if this is truly the reason then the parents, and the '07 senior class needs to take some responsibilty on this one. I do not feel that if this is the case then he should have disciplined this harsh, there had to be another way. And for Walt Davis, was he not thinking about our children and what this would do to them. Densmore was well liked by many and for some the only positive roll model they have. The parents of TISD students need answers not excuses. "
Concerned wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:25 PM:
" I have never seen such a display of ill will and hatred in my whole life!
From direct attacks by name or between bloggers to criticizing someone for where they choose to worship. At what point does this newspaper accept the legal responsibility for the character assasination of these people? This is an issue that will be resolved no matter what is said here. We all have a right to voice our opinion. That is what this country is all about. Just PLEASE use some common courtesy. "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:37 PM:
" Everything on this board is hearsay. I doubt few on this board have personal knowledge of what happened. It bothers me to see such distress from people when we don't know the whole story. This board has a mob mentality and needs to respect the process and the ELECTED leaders of this school board and administration.
And by the way, I was in school when Principals left. Life goes on. It's up to the parents, teachers and students to make sure that it does! "
Former THS Student wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:41 PM:
" I went to school all my life in Terrell. I remember Shucks dad Mr. Wieland when he was a principal at the school. To me, he was a big push over. Dont get me wrong, Mr. Wieland was one of the nicest principals I'd ever met but he seemed to shy away and sit in the background. He was more of a friendly man instead of an authority figure. I just see Shuck being that same way. I could be wrong. I remember Shuck as being stuck up and snoody in school and I'm sure some things never change. But Terrell needs to focus on what kind of authority is needed to run the school and who can handle some of the misfits in this school, and not shy away. Have I got this guy all figured out wrong? "
Enough wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:41 PM:
" Regardless of whom our teachers, kids, and community deserve/need in a principal will be left to the School Board and the Super. That's just life as scary as it may seem. However, we as a community can keep a person like Tracey Smith and her husband off the board and that is what we should focus on Monday night. I really think ole Walt did Densmore a favor - at least it is letting Mr. D know that you can't trust a Super. from Richardson Texas USA!!!!! "
Conspiracy everywhere wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:44 PM:
" I agree with Anderson. We should all go to the next board meeting when it began the first time a month ago. In the meantime all that was happening with greivances and the like. Watch the parties to the public dismissal of Densmore squirm in their seats and make sure they know the fallout they have caused. Terrell is a good city that needs more leaders like the newspaper. Is it possible to have a meeting with the community of parties ilke those? I don't know but I will tell you this, I will be right in the middle and on the edges. "
just wondering wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:45 PM:
" To Former THS student: Yes, you have it all wrong about Mr. Wieland. And I hope you aren't still judged by your personality in high school. We surely have added years of experience when we grow up and make plenty of changes in the years past high school. Mr. Wieland is a caring, structured administrator. He doesn't put up with a lot of flack from the students but still listens and tries to do what is best for all. These are the same characteristics we have seen in many good THS administrators, including Herman Furlough. We need to have someone be able to step up to the plate that knows the background of our district and our students. We might have problems here but they can be solved. Leadership is key. "
To Former from a Former wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:46 PM:
" Yes, I'm sorry to say you have. Mr. Wieland is a favored man and most importantly, the kids love him, the teachers respect him AND he is all about EDUCATION! I had 2 kids go through the H.S. and sang his praise!!!
But, this is not about Mr. Wieland - it is about Mr. D. Anyway, Mr. Wieland may not want to take this position. Let's just wait and see! Okay? "
??????????? wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:48 PM:
" The students at THS are accusing someone else of getting Mr. D fired. Someone please explain to the students that the Smiths are behind this and not who they think. Innocent people are going to get hurt because of their misinformation. I'm talking about the kids caught skipping think someone told on them. When it was only brought up in general that "students" were skipping and get someone to check it out. "
Conspiracy everywhere wrote on Feb 15, 2007 4:54 PM:
" I think a portion of what we say is always caught up in the last time. Why is the school any different? It is not and cannot be until changes are made at the highest level. Are we supposed to sit still and let the problems continue unabated, I hope the leaders of the county get with the members and hold those in charge accountable until this is moved forward as it should be. I would propose a new election on the county level to make sure education is a top level requirement for kids, staff, adults, members of the park board and track team. We are the ones who can make a difference not them. "
To ????????? wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:00 PM:
" These students got in trouble because Tracy S did an open records request for the video the day the seniors skipped, leaving the Athletic Complex. That is how they got in trouble not because someone told on them. "
????? wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:08 PM:
" So?, what Senior did'nt skip school? I guess this is all Mr. D's fault? Unreal! "
The Problem wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:38 PM:
" The problem is that attendance was not taken. They had no "official" record of what seniors were there, who left and who stayed. The district gets paid by how many students attend school on a daily basis. Mr. D is the principal in charge of teachers who were supposed to be in charge of them while they were in the Athletic Complex. This is a big deal to Austin who gives the district the $$$$$. "
dashing wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:39 PM:
" I am a current student at THS. All this boils down to is the "almighty dollar". Sad, but true. The school board does not care about the welfares of the students, teachers, staff, community etc., only the "almighty dollar". Things need to change, "BIG TIME"! Money isn't everything people.
The way certain students act at the high school is not the fault of the high school faculty and staff. Discipline should begin in the home and should be upheld at school. "Students should be responcible for their own actions and should not but on the back of Mr. Densmore." This whole situation is just "WRONG"! I will DEFINATELY be at the school board meeting on Monday night in support of Mr. Densmore! "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:47 PM:
" (Assuming this is the issue) So, the majority of the senior class doesn't show up on Monday and according to some on this msg board, Bob turned his head to it. Let's put this in perspective. You and all your friends don't show up to work because YOU want to make it a holliday. Your boss brushes it off, but his doesn't. If you were the boss, would you have brushed it off? What about the fact that people on this board want these teacher's, administrators and school board members to be role models? Does a role model brush it off, or should it be behavior that is addressed? You can say "Oh, but they're just kids", but how should it be handled? Do you want a district that lets the "inmates run the asylum"? These people are put in place to teach right from wrong. It may not always be the popular decision, but it doesn't mean that it isn't the right decision. My parents taught me that! "
Thank you Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:50 PM:
" I don't know who you are but you're a genious as far as I am concerned. Finally someone gets it! "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 5:57 PM:
" Interesting thoughts Dashing, please expand about how this relates to money. If the school board didn't care, why would they spend their own money to run campaigns just to volunteer to be a part of a school board that puts in extra hours outside of their own personal lives? And from the responses on this msg board, it seems that they have 100% approval/support for this glamorous job that pays so well. I think you might be thinking more with your heart than your head right now... "
Jerry Persall wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:19 PM:
" There isn't a lot we can do with the people on the board now, but, I know I will do everything I can to make sure Mrs. Smith doesn't get what she wants, to follow the footsteps of her husband who really hasn't been able to make a difference on the present board. So, if we need change, let's start with the next election. Clear the board and start with a fresh prospective. They have to know who pays their check. It's taxpayers like you and me. "
Terrell-ex wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:38 PM:
" Let's pray. The children, the children the children the children the chidren the children the children the children. People, it's all about the children "
Grandpa wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:39 PM:
" If what Charles says is true regarding the seniors skipping school and the attendance not being recorded, that is certainly enough to cause Davis to reprimand the principal. However there has got to be more to the story than just that. There must be more incidents of failure to carry out duties. Just one slip up of this nature is not enough to cause a dismissal at this time of the year. Certainly a write up, but not a dismissal. That is if Charles knows the full story. "
CLJ wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:51 PM:
" Maybe we need to get this Smith fellow off the school board and ride he and his wife out of town on a rail.This stuff wouldn't have happened if the egocentric pair had not started all of this. "
Dan wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:56 PM:
" You're right CLJ. Forget all of the Densmore and Wieland stuff. Those two instigators are nothing but trouble. If they don't like the district why did Paul Smith run for school board... so his wife could get her way! They should take a hike and move to some other city that will have them. "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 6:56 PM:
" I do not know the whole story and posted that earlier. I am just replying to what others claim the issue is. I think there is more to it than we know... "
Inquisitor wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:04 PM:
" Would all of the good caring people please move to the right and all of the mean, cruel, and hateful people move to the left. We will play like another country that has in the past taken all of the educators and community leaders and gotten rid of them. Then we can call this new country of ours Chaos. No one will be in charge and we can all do as we please. Kids will not have to go to school...oops that's right there won't be one to go to. That is ok no one wants order anyway. "
Enough wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:14 PM:
" It might seem sarcastic, but the Smiths remind me of Bill & Hillary Clinton. The man is in the position with the woman pushing the buttons. Get off the throne Bill (Paul), cause apparently your not doing the job Hillary thinks you should!!! "
Enough wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:17 PM:
" And, I have recently realized that the Smiths are Terrell Graduates! Poor Ole Terrell High - You let two slip out between the cracks!!!!!! "
I KNOW, PROMISE wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:23 PM:
" LISTEN TO ME - MR. D'S LEAVING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCIDENT OF THE KIDS LEAVING THE CAMPUS! TRUST ME. IT GOES WAY MORE THAN THAT AND THERE IS MORE TO COME....... "
dashing wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:30 PM:
" (To Mr. Anderson)I am not talking about the school board recieving payment for their duties. I am aware they are not paid. I am referring to the money that district gets payed for a student that is in attendance at school everyday. That is all the school board cares about is the money they get from the state. Nothing else. That is the "almighty dollar". "
Mad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:30 PM:
" I wonder if the Smith's children skipped school on Monday. They will probably want it to be an excused absence or maybe not counted absent at all. That's right Mrs. Smith yank Mr. Smith's chain and have him disrupt the next board meeting. Oh but you're good at that! Just keep stirring and maybe you'll get your way like a spoiled brat. "
supporter of the students wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:36 PM:
" If the students and parents would like to show Mr. Densmore their support, if they would like to make a lasting stand for what they believe in either way, ACE THOSE TAKS! Show this community, the board, this paper, and anyone who wants to listen that you guys and gals are a sucess! As the spouse of a teacher, I will tell you we believe in you, students. We believe you can be a sucess no matter what crisis you face, guys and gals. Let your ability speak for your hearts. ACE THOSE TAKS! You can do it. Texas Monthly spoke on your behalf before it will again if you guys make your stand on paper! Parents, please tell your children, THEY CAN AND MUST DO IT! Personally, we totally love and appreciate and support Mr. Densmore and his family with all our family's heart. And we hear your grief about a loss of leadership, students and parents, regardless of your opinion about who should have or shouldn't have or now should be in charge. The future is about the students. You guys and gals are loved and prayed for, now, leave a legacy that counts. Focus and pass those Taks. "
Former Student wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:55 PM:
" Terrel ISD Administration is a mess, a political mess. A big house cleaning needs to take place......bad kids are not disciplined, good kids suffer, the district is scared of legal suits.... teacher moral is low. Teacher turnover is high. Its those "high ups" at FBC and then everybody else. Little power hungry people that run a political empire at the tax payers expense and the kid's expense. Terrell ISD has a history, and not a good history of junk like this....its the clicks stupid! "
Jeremy Boyd wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:59 PM:
" As a student who transferred into THS and graduated from there, I have to say I'm disappointed in Mr. Densmore's leaving. Bob Densmore was unfailingly considerate of students' needs, even when that meant rocking the boat. He always seemed to care a great deal about our education. He was unusually helpful when it came to extracurricular activities. He was supportive of Christian values without being oppressive toward those who took a different view of things. In short, he was the finest administrator I had the pleasure of learning under.
If it is true that there was some event leading to Densmore's resignation, I think the taxpayers of TISD deserve to know the truth. Privacy issues aside, the people have a right to know how their representatives are making decisions. And if the Board is hiding something, they have a right to know that, too.
I wish I could be there Monday night, but I can't. Instead, I think everyone who has strong feelings about this (for or against Densmore, Davis, Wieland, etc.) should step up and take part. That's the point of having a Board you elect - you get to tell them what to do. "
Terrell HS Alumni wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:01 PM:
" If anyone gets a chance to look at a THS yearbook from 1981 see how many pictures of Mr.Paul Smith were in there that had to be redone because he was pointing his middle finger in most of them!! And now he's on our school board??? I am so sorry to see Mr. Densmore leave. He was a very caring person the 4 years my child attended Terrell High School. I know the students must be really be upset over this.... "
1blkman wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:06 PM:
" I am a ready to get to the bottom of this!! My child is a student at THS and it bothers me to see the way that things are going. If you want to voice your opinion just go to the meeting monday night and SPEAK!!!!! "
Panic! wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:08 PM:
" Mr. D has made my first year of highschool loads easier. And even though I only had the privelage of having him as a Principal for a number of months, I could already tell he was the best Principal i would have/ever had in my years at TISD. I just hope the school boards know what they're doing. Bringing in a new head honcho, and having that head honcho change the enire environment of the school. [Not to mention a week before TAKS.] And especially in the middle of the year. This change will make MY school living chaos, and absolutely no place for a child to concentrate and learn. They'll never find a Principal that really and truely loved us, not just looked at us like walking paychecks.
Think about it. "
To 1blkman wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:11 PM:
" Just got my annual out and I did see it. Do you think we should send it to the Tribune for the front page article regarding the meeting on Monday night? "
1blkman wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:23 PM:
" I think ALL the news stations/should get involed in this and see how much corrupt and controversy this really is!!! Plus Tribune and Dallas Morning News!
**We need HELP** "
To 1blkman wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:27 PM:
" I understand from my boys that they are wearing black tomorrow to represent their "morning" for the removal of Mr. D. Some of the kids have already contacted a news channel to inform them of this protest tomorrow. "
Former THS student 2 wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:30 PM:
" To the earlier Former THS student--"Coach" Wieland was my Health and Driver's Ed teacher and Peggy W was my Tigerette sponsor. They were both well-respected not pushovers. I remember Jenna and Shuck as little kids. Later on, Shuck taught my daughter and she thought the world of him. I teach at a huge school district. If principals lost their jobs every time students got caught "skipping" we would not have any principals left. There is something fishy going on and only time will tell. For Shuck and his family, I am surprised he has not gone elsewhere. Principals who care about teachers, the kids, and education are priceless. "
Terrell Community Member wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:38 PM:
" Paul Smith should not be at the school board member and surely his wife will stay away. Does anyone agree? "
grad of THS wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:42 PM:
" Mr Densmore is gone, that is the only fact we have right now. No one knows what will happen...We should all hope for the best..To you FORMER THS STUDENT. YOu have no right to bring up Mr. Charles Wieland, he was great man and you have no right to talk down on someone who has left us to go to a better place. As for his son, he is an amazing man and i hope that he has inherited his father and mother's goodness. I have seen him, his sister and his niece graduate and go into the world with their positive energy!!! His children will do the same!!! As for now the kids are what matter, no more pointing fingers, let's make their time at ths memorable and great from now on! "
Knight wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:48 PM:
" Shuck Wieland is a very good man and has been dumped on by the district as far as promotions to principal. He should be considered and given a chance. If he can't do the job we can get someone else. Bob Densmore is a good man and I don't know his reasons but I do wish him well on any endeavor he chooses. If Paul Smith is going to stay on the school board he needs to tell his wife to shut up and sit down and not to disturb the meetings and act in accordance to the procedures of conduct at such meetings. I support the constitution and the people's right to free speach but I am afraid that this forum is going to cause the City of Terrell to implode or erupt in some form or fashion, which will not benefit anyone. All are entitled to their opinions and we must push aside the hate and ill will that has been shown here. It seems like when I was in school there was a rule, a golden one. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Shouldn't we give that one a try? "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:51 PM:
" Let me be clear, I do not know the Smith's so I can not speak about them. I do know however, that one person does not make up the entire board. This was not a decision made by one person (or one couple). I hope all of you that are calling people out on this board are correct for your sakes. All I can say is if you are interested, go to the meeting. Make sure you have the facts though, because all this rambling on this board won't stand in that meeting room. To Dasher, I disagree with you, but thanks for clarifying. "
For the Kids wrote on Feb 15, 2007 8:53 PM:
" Let's all give this a rest and plan for Monday night. This is going "no where" and the only person that will give us clarity is the TISD Board. See you Monday Night. "
TSH grad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:09 PM:
" To all of you critizing Tracey Smith. I was curious and attended the meeting at Starbucks. Mr. Densmore was present. Ms smith gave Mr. Densmore an opportunity to correct every comment she made. His only answer was, I am only here to listen". He had the opportunity to deny or correct everything she said. He had the opportunity to put all of her issues to bed. He chose to allow her to encourage those present to attend the school board meeting later that night.
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JC wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:17 PM:
" To Terrell grad: That still does not give her the right to disrupt a public meeting.If I am not mistake her deal was that she got a ticket for her children being truant. That being said she and her "school board" husband knew the rules and violated them anyway. Too bad! Give her the maximum fine! She and her husband have no excuse for their actions. Maybe Paul Smith should do the honorable thing and resign from the board and he and his wife can home school or move to another district if they cannot get along here. "
/??wondering wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:23 PM:
" i think the smiths leaving would be a great start. i wonder if they attend fbc as well? "
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:24 PM:
" to for the kids. the school board by law does not have to respond to any of us at a school board meeting they can listen but not respond. so we might not get any ansewers there either
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I wonder wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:34 PM:
" If we don't get answers what is the proper legal procedure for having a recall election? "
sad day wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:42 PM:
" i am not sure however i do know they do not have to respond to anyone. that is a tisd board rule. they have covered all their tracks by the law. they can also at any time call the meeting to closed and make the public leave at any time they wish. so they can keep everyone out. they have the bylaws set so the public has no say or rights in the meetings and if you want copies of the meetings it cost a ton of money to get them "
Law wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:42 PM:
" By law the school board can NOT discuss the reason Mr. Densmore was removed. If you want answers you will have to ask Mr. Densmore. Only he can ask for a public hearing. THAT IS THE LAW !! "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:47 PM:
" I don't know what the procedures might be, but has Mr. Densmore made any statements regarding this? I don't think that the school board can legally comment without his approval can either. And drop the First Baptist Church references, this has nothing to do with the church. Remember the whole seperation of church and state thing that everyone wanted? GOD was taken out of the schools, so quit putting Church back in when it is convenient for your arguement! "
dont believe that wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:55 PM:
" Yeah, you just keep believing that the separation of church and state keeps FBC or other churches in other cities from controling school districts and or city government. They can do what they want as long as they don't say God in school! "
Law wrote on Feb 15, 2007 9:56 PM:
" Another point of law. The school board can not go into executive session anytime they want. Only to discuss legal and personal matters. They can not take a vote of any kind in ex. session. "
JC wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:01 PM:
" I rather believe that we need to get our legislators to change some of the laws. If you are elected by the people you should HAVE to let them know what is going on. I do agree that on personnel matters that that should be confidential. That does not however prevent the elected school board from telling the voting public what they want to know. "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:12 PM:
" I have teachers all throughout my family, so I am fully aware with what drives a school district. If you want to know what drives a school district, it is the children and every person who gets paid too little to put up with stuff like this. The Church has nothing to do with it and since most people can't think for themselves they just jump on to the easist arguement. Lets be clear about something here. You people that want to continuously complain about the district are the ones who usually aren't helping at all. What have you done lately? How have you volunteered to help your community? Just for once, take some personal responsibility for things such as how your children act and how you act in public. If you think that you can do such an outstanding job, please feel free to run for that persons seat next time it opens. Lets see if you have the ideas and the energy that puts people behind you. One last question for the evening for all of you...When was the last time you emailed or called an administrator, teacher or school board member and just said "Thank You" for what you do for my child? "
THS grad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:14 PM:
" To JC, You are correct. She does not have that right. Neither do the students have the right to disrupt classes without expecting consequences, but parents are encourging them. The lack of discipline at THS is evident at every turn. Obviously there are plans to disrupt the next meeting by those of you supporting Mr. Densmore. Again show a lack of discipline. I was merely pointing out Mr Densmore could have prevented the display at the board meeting. His failure to to respond to simple yes or no questions gave Ms Smith and others reason to go to the board for answers. "
Help wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:41 PM:
" Why did the last two athletic directors leave Terrell? Why have so many other administrators and quality teachers left THS during the past eight years? Why is the turnover so high at THS? Why is the lack of discipline at THS the talk of Terrell over the past five or so years? Why do we have so many former principals in plush jobs in the district? It appears Mr. Davis is trying to correct some of the problems of the district while not creating another one by moving Mr. Densmore just because he is a good man.
I personally like Mr. Densmore, however, as the administrator of THS he must accept the responsibility for the total lack of discipline at the school. His leadership has just not been successful. "
Former Student wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:44 PM:
" Terrell ISD is a revolving door regarding teachers, administrators, and damaged board members. This is about....Clicks and political agendas...yet the good students/good parents that support discipline suffer. TISD has had and continues to have serious problems. Principles that either resign-terminated in the middle of the year is a bad deal. This issue surrounds much more than students skipping class. AND...Yes those that are apart of the "click" attend FBC. FBC is probably an excellent church....I am just saying you will find the click at FBC. Disband the click and you are on the road to addressing a future problem. "
JC wrote on Feb 15, 2007 10:48 PM:
" If the students truely have the respect for Mr. Densmore they say they do, and the parents also,they will go to the meeting in an orderly and respectful manner and not be disruptive. Our society has become one of trying to please everyone and be "politicly correct" in everything we do. We are going to bring this attitude to an abrubt halt or our society will fall. If it is illegal its illegal. If it is rude and distrespectful or if it is improper behavior then that is what it is. A horse is a horse irregardless of its color. If a child is disruptive then there should be a punishment. Crack down and a majority of the problems will go away. "
concerned customer wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:11 PM:
" This is not about what the Smiths have or have not done, it is about all of our kids. The school board needs to get a backbone,and stand up for what is wright. I have been to sevral board meetings and see a bunch of yes puppets for Mr. Davis. I encourage every customer (tax payer) to be at every school board meeting, not just this Monday. To find out what board member reprsents and let them know how you feel,and how we might make changes. Do not be part of the problem be part of the solution. "
So glad that I don't teach at THS anymore wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:28 PM:
" Mr. Densmore let the students run the school and did not support the teachers who expected the students to be responsible. THS needs a strong principal that encourages professionalism and teamwork between administrators and teachers. A consistent level of discipline was not maintained and respect was an unknown concept at THS, causing teachers to leave. Of course this hurts the students. Charles Anderson was correct when he said that parents need to look at themselves and be more supportive of the THS teachers and staff. While teaching at THS, I could not understand why parents were not concerned and supportive when I spoke with them because their student was misbehaving or not doing their classwork or homework.
Why did TISD have to begin elementary, middle, and high school at different times? Was it a shortage of busses, or was it really because the high school students were so vulgar and violent that parents feared for the safety of the younger children on the same bus with them?
How will students learn to become good citizens when they have learned that loud disrespectful language in the name of "protest" releases them from the responsibility of their inappropriate or disorderly behavior. "
Bad day for THS wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:45 PM:
" Mrs. Smith said at a recent board meeting that she "wanted some heads on a platter." If she wants what is best for TISD she needs to have a more professional approach when presenting information. She is an uneduacated women who was fired from her last job and has taken it upon herself to make some changes. I know i would want a person who could at least keep a job to be presenting information that affects others. Who knows, maybe Mary with bring some information to the next board meeting trying to get coach Gee or someone else fired. The bottom line is Bob was wrong and has to suffer the consequences, but trying to clean house is wrong and so is everyone else who supports Mrs. Smith's agenda to "get some heads on a platter." Who says something like that in public? "
TISD Expert, Insider, Teacher, THS Grad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 11:52 PM:
" What the school board needs to do is fire Walt Davis and systematically replace all administration members linked to him as part of the group who all came from Richardson under Dr. London. The board needs to show its support of Bob Densmore and not let him be the fall-guy for a group of people trying to cover for their failings. Let's tell the truth: Walt Davis, while always competent at his job, does not have his soul in this town and in its future. He has been under fire because of the incompetence of Assistant Superintendent Bill Campbell (who is an old Richardson crony, is supposed to be managing discipline issues and has no right to hold the same job title as Assistant Superintendent Dr. Beverly Burr). It’s not that most of these people are poorly qualified (except for the ones that are) but just like Dr. London, those in education who do not have their hearts in our school and our town will protect themselves at all costs – their retirement benefits are based on the salary they earn in their top three years of service, they will follow the money. This is not a crime; every one should take care of themselves, but in Terrell, we should ask for something more. Bob Densmore has given us that. It is true there is a discipline problem in Terrell schools. Some of that is systemic, caused by No Child Left Behind and the TAKS test, which for a school to look successful to the TEA, no child can be expelled or removed from a classroom except for under the most extreme circumstances. But it is also linked to the strength of support in discipline procedures given by officials high in the chain of command such as Campbell. Davis’ biggest failing is putting his trust in that man as well as his choice of director of personnel Mary Green who allows leaders to be weak and discourages effective leadership while she bullies and belittles. The truth is: Terrell ISD probably has one of the best curriculum programs anywhere. Our schools have excellent facilities; superior technology and our teachers have training and resources many rich school districts envy. But, because of a lack of support in the arena of discipline, our students aren’t benefiting from it as much as they could. Some Terrell ISD administrators are living by the same fiction to which much of the public and our legislators have fallen prey: Schools are NOT like they were even 10 years ago let alone 25 years ago! The culture is NOT like it was before No Child Left Behind and TAKS tied the hands of teachers and administrators. AND, it is not due to a lack of competent teachers. Teachers haven’t become dumb and lazy in the last decade. The way the public supports teachers has changed. One person who always supported his teachers was Bob Densmore.
Every quote from Davis in this story is pure spin. Everyone knows Mr. Densmore loves our children and our town with his whole heart. He is a God-lead man. He is the one who built the big house in the middle of town, brought his wife and family here and made his whole life here. How can anyone believe he would CHOOSE to leave? Of course, that is what is going to be said. To keep the truth from coming out, Davis has to spin a positive story and of course, by law neither Mr. Densmore, nor Davis or any other school official privy to information related in a personnel matter can speak on this issue. Of course, Densmore can’t come out and tell the students and public that he doesn’t want to leave us. He cares for his students and that would only insight them more. Does anyone believe Densmore would CHOOSE to leave a week before the TAKS test? Does anyone believe another school district would take a new principal A WEEK before the TAKS test? Davis has been looking for a scape-goat and jumped at the first opportunity for an excuse to push Densmore out. He is trying to make it look like that couldn’t be true by talking about how they have been friends for so many years. The truth is: Davis values other friends more and his values are misplaced. Mr. Densmore needs an act of God. Call your school board representatives and tell them to keep Bob Densmore, throw out the club of career-ladder climbers from Richardson.
Some board member phone numbers are: Lisa Smith -972-524-6108, 972-563-6698; Ben Carmona-972-524-1700 ex. 3317; Anne McDonald-972-563-6243; Dena Risinger -972-563-4250, 972-551-7500; Col. Abbie Anderson-972-563-9727
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FORMER STUDENT wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:50 AM:
" I SAY THA HELL WITH WALT DAVIS AND LETS KEEP BOB, AND I DNT REGRET WHAT I SAID I AM A FORMER STUDENT THERE BUT NOW IM IN THE MILITARY FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY BUT TELL YOU THE TRUTH IF WALT DAVIS IS THE FUTURE FOR MY KIDS ID RATHER JUST HAVE TALIBAN COME AND BLOW THE SCHOOLS UP AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH HIM, THIS WASNT NOTHING NEW HES FORCING DENSMORE TO LEAVE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT! ALL I CAN SAY IS WALT DAVIS IF YOU GO OUT ALOT I WOULDNT NOMORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT HATE YOU INCLUDING ME AND THATS A BAD THING AND JUST THINK I'M TRAINED TO GET RID OF BAD PEOPLE EVEN IF THAT INCLUDED AN AMERICAN COWARD LIKE YOU!!!!! "
BACKEL BUCK wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:16 AM:
" I SAY LET'S FORGET ABOUT TERRELL HIGH SCHOOL AND BUILD A BRAND NEW SCHOOL IN ELMO! WE CAN CALL THE FOOTBALL TEAM THE ELMO FIGHTING FROGS!! "
THE GHOST OF MIKE BAILEY wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:36 AM:
" I THINK GEORGE PARRISH WOULD BE A GREAT PRINCIPAL! HE IS A GRADUATE OF TERRELL HIGH, HE DUTIFULLY SERVED HIS COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY, HE IS VERY WELL LIKED BY ALL STUDENTS, AND HE HAS ENOUGH INSIGHT ON RELAYING A GOOD FOUNDATION FOR OUR KIDS GETTING A WELL ROUNDED EDUCATION! "
I Know wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:41 AM:
" The reason thing have change is MARY GREEN. Teacher turnover has increase is because of MARY GREEN not Bob!!!!!!!!!! "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:27 AM:
" To Former Student: Comparing a superintendent to the "Taliban" is one of the most idiotic things I have read in my entire life. Making an empty threat like "AND JUST THINK I'M TRAINED TO GET RID OF BAD PEOPLE EVEN IF THAT INCLUDED AN AMERICAN COWARD LIKE YOU!!!!!" shows your true character. God Bless you for serving this country, but maybe you need to re-examine your morals. If you want to make threats, I'm sure that there are several people on this board that would provide you their name, number and address so it could be discussed. That is inappropriate in every way. Grow up!
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Grandpa wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:43 AM:
" I agree with Charles the comments made by the former student are totally out of line for this discussion. In fact if Davis wanted to trace down the person making these comments he might have reason to press charges against Former Student. "
Never wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:26 AM:
" Never in my life have I seen such HATE filed things being said. Do you people read what you are saying. Hate, Hate Hate. And the bad part is it coming from parents. Don't worry about what is or is not being taught at school. We need to worry about what is being taught at home. Instead of everyone going to the school board meeting we need to go to pray meeting. Only the LORD can help Terrell. JUST READ!! No wonder good people don't want to move to Terrell. Sad-how very sad ! "
i know wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:34 AM:
" To a former student That is not call for. I want Walt gone too but not that way. Let the school board do there job "
JC wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:39 AM:
" Former Student: I would have thought the military would have straightened out an attitude like that. Stay in the service a few more years and maybe they can teach you how to respect others and be respectful in your actions, young man. There is no room in any of this for any form of violence or threats of violence. I do believe that Bob Densmore would say the same thing. "
To the point wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:50 AM:
" I say, let's remember that the important thing to discuss in this forum is the situation at the school. Let's not be distracted by the random comments of people we don't even know.
How do we feel about the performance of our school leaders? What do we tell our representatives to do about this situation. I agree with TISD insider. There's a lot to this to consider. "
Amazed wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:06 AM:
" JC, Charles, Grandpa and others: well said. Those that REALLY need prayer right now are the teachers at THS. They will be dealing with that attitude from over a thousand kids today. "
JC wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:08 AM:
" If we go to the legislature we need to get rid of two things right off. The No Child Left Behind program, which may have been a good idea at one time but after Congress got throught bending and changing is no longer a benefit, and the TAKS test. We do not need a test that stresses the children, parents, and teachers, and ties all the teachers salaries and district funding to a test. Let the teachers TEACH and test only to ensure the children are learning at their respective levels and learning the material. The U.S. Congress and the Texas Legislature need to quit mandating things they know nothing about. "
Today wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:12 AM:
" Has anyone heard if the kids did wear black and if a news team did show up at the school this morning? "
DOH wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:15 AM:
" "The U.S. Congress and the Texas Legislature need to quit mandating things they know nothing about".....you got that right JC. What we need to start voting for the person and not what party they belong to. "
Media 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:18 AM:
" The Dallas news media does not normally see controversy in small towns outside of the Dallas and Tarrant County area as being of interest to their viewer base. Though it is possible that they may take an interest it is however unlikely. "
Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:41 AM:
" Let me ask a question to all of you that have voiced such loud opinions. What if Bob Densmore is at fault? I love the guy, but what if? Do you just go away and act like you never said any of these things since you hid behind a screen name? What happened to getting the facts before punishing people? All I am asking for is a little respect for those involved before crucifying them. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Take the opportunity to talk to your children about how they should act in the face of adversity. Was this the best time for the to come down right before TAKS testing? No. But can you as a parent talk to your children about the situation and give them the opportunity to grow from it? Yes! If they want to support Bob, ACE THAT TEST! Good Luck Students, your voice will best be heard by your test scores. "
Media 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:45 AM:
" I doubt any reputable reporter from any of the Dallas TV stations would have said "Terrell is a lost cause". A statement such as that is unethical and unprofessional. Neither of which would I classify the Dallas journalists. This area is such a small portion of their viewership they would go toward the interests of the majority. Who knows, they may have a slow news day in Dallas and show up. "
TO: MEDIA 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:52 AM:
" doubt all you want. it was said. and it is true. terrell is a powder keg just waiting to go off. the schools here stink, the police force is inept, the town is falling apart, the roads are worst than most third world countries, the people in power are either corrupt or inept, thank GOD i have the means to send my children to private school, where they aren't just memorizing but learning. "
Teacher wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:03 AM:
" I'm a teacher here at THS and understand the worry and frustration of the parents and members of the community, but the fact is, you will not know what is going on behind the scene in this case. Mr. Densmore did some things that needed consequences. If we as teachers did what he did, we would have been fired, not asked to resign. What he did was illegal and he is getting what he deserves.
As for Mr. Wieland, he is a kind man, who has been passed over for several positions because he does not play the political games that others play. I hate to see the board go to outsiders but that happens all the time. Eventually, Mr. Wieland will get tired of it and leave. "
Interested party wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:12 AM:
" I would be surprised if Teacher or anyone else really knows why Mr. Densmore was asked to resign. Interesting that people who want to be the center of attention always act like they know something other do not. And by the way, should you not be teaching a class right now? "
DOH wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:13 AM:
" So Teacher...fill us in. What did he do that was illegal? Dont make accusations that you cant back up. I am not saying you are wrong, just skeptical. And dont say you 'cant say', because you already brought it up. "
Teacher wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:14 AM:
" Amazingly enough, we are all provided with a conference period and a duty free lunch. Would you like me to teach through that too?
And if you seem to know I'm wrong, speak up! "
Interested party wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:20 AM:
" Well... we are waiting for your big news about the illegal activities going on at the high school. Throw it out there Teacher. "
Concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:21 AM:
" I don't know about the rest of you but I am really getting tired of hearing how bad Terrell and it's schools are.
I love Terrell!! It is HOME and has been for over fifty years. I raised my children here and they graduated from THS. They didn't turn out too bad and I am proud of the adults they have become. My point is, don't run down the community that most of us love. Are there problems? Yes, just like in most small towns. If you want to see change, roll up your sleeves and become involved in making things better. If you just hate it so badly, I'm sure that there are enough people that would help you load your belongings on a U-haul and bid you a sincere "Good luck and good riddance".
As for me, I think Terrell is worth the effort and I plan to stay and work toward a brighter future!! "
To the point wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:25 AM:
" Now we're on the right track. We've got to talk about the issue: personnel decisions in Terrell ISD and whether we believe in the people who are making them. As for Mr. Weiland, he has a very important job at the HS administering programs for special education. Surely, he can't be so easily replaced, so it is probably a good decision not to name him as interim principal. If Mr. Densmore had done something illegal, there would be a public record. He is an honorable man and all of us who know that need to stand behind him. "
Media 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:49 AM:
" I don't believe you have been to any third world countries. Want a free trip! "
moved away wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:51 AM:
" In reguards to Mr. Weiland being passed over-it is a Terrell School Board tradition to pass over or never consider THS graduates. I know of a couple of coaches and a lawyer that weren't given any consideration for Terrell ISD positions because of the politics that are involved. These guys bleed red and white or maroon and white. But they went on to great careers helping alot of other people and towns. They understood loyalty or lack of. Terrell is getting what it deserves when it does not hire people that love the town,schools, and overall community. These were people that could get things done and bring harmony and sucess. Two fital components that have been missing from Terrell schools for at least two decades. Terell has not rotted over night.
One of the passed over gentelman was at the high school a year ago or so and was appalled by the dress and behavior that was being tolerated.
These men could have bridged old Terrell with new Terrell and all other factions that are now at an unrest.
So all of this will probably lead to another outsider who is some body's friend that needs a job and a raise.
They could care less about the community. I good thing about the powers to be here at Terrell-they are consistant!!!!! "
TO MEDIA 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:08 AM:
" I live in one right now jerk. Just look around you. Roads falling apart, vacant building every where. Houses falling down or fallen down already, hospital run by a convicted felon, crime way above the state and national level, drugs everywhere, a school system that can't control its students and parents that don't care. All we need now are suicide bombers. "
'87 graduerate wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:09 AM:
" it seems to me whatever the reason for Bob's change of employment, the real point is about the education, safety, comapassion and growth of our kids/students. i wonder something, if the senior issue was a defining point in Bob's future, how is it that the AP in charge in of attendance, which ultimately is tied to funding, etc., is now the one named as interim principal?? shouldn't some light be shed on his role in the senior attendance debacle?? it may be time for change in leadership at dear ole terrell high, however this interim appointment sure smells rotten to me... Additionally, anyone supporting any intentional dress code violation in support of Bob is ultimately supporting his removal. Our kids need to adhere to each and every rule outlined under his adminstration and the one that will follow him. The kids need to pull together and comply with absolutely each and every rule under THS quidance. i feel that Bob would be quite honored and moved by this display. and a very much needed side effect could even be that a quality learning evnirnoment develops. That would mean something and perhaps, even be something worth coverage by news channels - maybe even by our own terrible tribune... "
A thought wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:09 AM:
" It is interesting to note that this whole thing explodes AFTER Mr. Davis' contract was renewed for another year by the board last meeting. I wonder if Mr. Densmore's contract, which I assume was a three-year contract, will be paid through the end of the contract term? "
ConfusedCitizen wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:14 AM:
" There have been many issues through the years with the way discipline was handled or not handled. Starting with kids, teachers, and handling of funds. Just some of the things I am aware of are issues on the drill team in the past few years. What a joke. Money was definitely missing and mishandled and yet it was swept under the rug. Tryouts have been a joke for many years. Did everyone seem to forget that? Just imagine all the others things that we do not know about. Also, I believe the students had to pay to wear jeans today.
With having said all of that - in the end - citizens must demand more from themselves to make the community better. We are in charge of ourselves and our actions. Please remember this and act accordingly. "
Know what you are taking about wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:30 AM:
" Confused citzen--The reason the kids had to pay to where blue jeans was for a fundraiser for the Junior class for the Prom. "
>>>>> wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:53 AM:
" has anyone thought of maybe holding a protest in front of Davis's house. That is if anyone knows where he actually lives. A quick look at the Kaufman County tax role shows his address as an empty lot here in Terrell. "
Parent wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:11 PM:
" It doesn't matter where Mr. Davis lives. That is his personal home. If you want to talk to Mr. Davis, go to the administration building or go to a board meeting. I'm sure you would not like it if the teachers and principals showed up at your door when they don't agree with how you are raising your children. There is a proper way to handle things and these kinds of ideas are irresponsible. "
VERY SAD STUDENT wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:15 PM:
" You know I wore a black shirt today ....NOT to be defiant, but to represent how sad and upset it is to say goodbye to our princible who loves us dearly....and there's something up...i've said goodbye to at least two princibles in my school life....but this is not a princible that WANTS to leave....and that is just not right!!!We love our princible and he loves us...One of the posters here says,"How many times will the "new" princible say he loves us...and mean it????" That is the truth....and we LOVE mr. Densmore....and he loves us.....LET HIM STAY!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!! "
TO: Address wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:16 PM:
" That is what the tax record show but they also show NO improvements to the propery. Just a piece of land. "
to...VERY SAD STUDENT wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:27 PM:
" If your post is what TISD is producing as educated students I am scared for Terrell. Look over yor post and correct your spelling. You are not the only one but it has become apparent that TISD is producing uneducated young adults. And please don't tell me that it is because of the TAKS tests and that the teachers only have time to teach the test. If the teachers would just teach the curriculum and not worry about about TAKS I'll bet more students would pass. I would put grade for grade any student in private school up against any student in TISD, or any Texas public school for that matter, and I'd bet you the score on TAKS would be higher from the private schools even though their teachers never taught the TAKS test. Oh, by the way, "principal not princple." "
TO:Parent wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:30 PM:
" You go and stand outside the Admin bulding and see how fast Davis skirts around you and never answers your questions. That is if he doesn't sneak out a different door. Sometimes you have to track these people down if you want answers. Also go to the meeting on Monday and see if you get any satisfactory answers or just spin. "
Get OFF of Sad Student wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:32 PM:
" Get off of this Sad Student. Over the last 3 days we have read many blogs and a lot of them have had misspelled words. I’m sure were adults and NOT from THS. So, have some sympathy for these kids and don’t be cruel!!! "
Monday Night wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:35 PM:
" Will the meeting be at the old site on High Street or the new Admin Building at the old Langwith? Also, what kind of capacity does it hold? "
To Meeting wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:37 PM:
" When answering Meetings question, please tell me if anyone knows if the the Interim Principal will be named that night or if it is offical that Mr. Gregory has been chosen...
Thanks "
dashing wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:39 PM:
" Yes, today has been a very sad day for THS. Students and teachers are trying to cope with the loss of their principal. There is a right and wrong way to do that though. I do not agree with the protests because it is doing more harm than good. I love Mr. Densmore and I am trying to fulfull is wishes of "living above the line." "
to the person who got on sad student wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:41 PM:
" You need to look over your own blog. You even misspelled their spelling of principal. I have a student at the high school. She is a junior and is ranked 17th in the class. She is devastated over this. People need to take responsibility for their kids actions and stop putting the blame on the schools. It ALL starts at home. "
upset wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:43 PM:
" So, the kids are protesting. It may not be right, but don't we all want our kids to stand up for what they believe in? Isn't that what we are all doing now? "
United We Stand wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:43 PM:
" They should rename Terrell and call it TERHELL! All the griping, name calling and so on. Don't you know this is only fueling the fire for those who are in charge of our schools, city, police, etc. Pigs love mud and there is more mud being slung here than any pig pen. Our corrupt city and school leaders are loving it. They are laughing at us and all this bickering. It is all part of the plan to drive us apart thereby getting their way. Driving us apart is only helping them accomplish their goals of further ruining our town and schools. There is an old saying, "United we stand, divided we fal." If the corrupt group that is presently running (or should I say ruining) our city and schools can continue to divide us then they will win. We, the citizens, students, tax payers, will be the big losers. That is why the outsiders come to Terrell for the high paying, in charge, jobs. They know they can succeed with their agendas here as there is no united force to stop them. Instead of putting each other down we need to pull together. If we want to change things we have to find solutions, within the law. We have to vote when there are elections. We have to legally pressure our elected leaders to make choices good for the community and schools not the pocketbook. When the bad guys (and gals) see there is a community united with the ultimate goal of making their town and schools better they will realize they have hit a brick wall with their tainted agendas and move on. They will only stay where they can consistantly get their way, bring in their buddies, drive the citizens apart and all the while filling their wallets. Hundreds of comments have been made in response to this article but not many have contained solutions. Go to the meetings, it's your right. Let your voice be heard in a civil way. Don't stoop to their underhanded, deceitful ways. Know the rules and laws and let RIGHT prevail over WRONG. Vote for the candidates you know and trust but most of all vote! It is good to have the comments section in the online Tribune but all the comments here will not replace votes when it counts. Lets band together and get our town and schools back on track. Lets improve our situation. Lets do something good in stead of gripe. Lets fix Terrell. Then we might consider calling it TERWELL. God Bless us as we work together for the good of Terrell. "
Parent wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:44 PM:
" I will be at the meeting on Monday night to show my support for the district. My point is that we need to be careful that our ideas are not irresponsible. Promoting a protest at someone's home is asking for trouble. Be a responsible citizen and talk to your school board representative or better yet put your name on the ballet next election and actually do something constructive to improve our school district. It's easy to point fingers and identify the problems. The hard part is to actually be a part of the solution. We did not get to where we are overnight and we will not turn this around overnight. I agree there needs to be a little more house cleaning done in the administration but it will take time. At least the process has finally started. "
Concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:13 PM:
" Okay, I am going to step out on a limb here and I'm sure that limb will be hacked to bits. How many of you even know Mr. Davis? I have met him on several occasions and have found him to be one of the nicest people you would want to know. I find it hard to believe that he would not have the best interests of our kids in mind. You don't stay in education as long as he has if you don't care! I also know Bob Densmore and I agree that he is a wonderful person. Both of these men have been castigated in this forum, Bob maybe to a lesser extent. The point I am trying to make is that both Mr. Davis and Mr. Densmore are human beings. They both have feelings and they both have their failings. We all do! I cannot imagine what it would be like to be in either of their shoes. Sticks and stones may only break bones but words can hang with you for a lifetime. Lets cut them both some slack and let cooler heads prevail. This applies to Shuck Wieland also. He has been treated to a real roller coaster ride himself. Compassion and reason are two things that separate us from animals. Lets use both as this issue is resolved. Thank you for taking the time to read this. "
Former THS Student wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:16 PM:
" It was my experience that Mr. Densmore always played favorites with the students. I'm not all that sad to see him go.
What we need at the schools - and in our homes - is consistent discipline and respect. Students need to respect their teachers and principles and the principles need to extend some respect to the students. In my high school career, the latter never really happened and consequently the students had no reason to respect their authorities. You have to give respect to get it.
Just my two cents. "
Long gone wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:20 PM:
" To CONCERNED: I agree with you. Terrell is home. I will never forget where my roots are. I thought I "loved" Terrell too, but then I left. And guess what!?! There is more to this world than Terrell. One one hand Terrell wants to keep its "good ole' boy" program, and on the other hand it wants to have all the ammentities of a thriving city. Can't have your cake and eat it too, folks. "
To Concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:36 PM:
" You seem to be a very compassionate person. However, IT IS ABOUT being consistent. As a parent of a former Tigerette, I witnessed many situations that Mr. Densmore did not enforce the rules of the Tigerette Bylaws and school policy. It was the Sponsor, Mr. Wieland and/or Ms. Dawson who would hold tight to follow the rules that had been reviewed and approved by the TISD School Board and the Tigerette Sponsor. But, because of a certain pair of parents (and not because they were of a certain color, etc...) that constantly challenged the Sponsor, Mr. Wieland or Ms. Dawson that they finally got their way by going to Mr. Densmore. Mr. Densmore, in order to make everyone happy, caved on the rules. (Basically, the winner is the one who screams the loudest and longest regardless of the rules.) It was not fair to the other girls nor was it respectful to the Sponsor, Mr. Wieland or Ms. Dawson or the overall History of Terrell Tigerettes. THE RESULT - Mr. Densmore WAS NOT CONSISTENT with the decisions of his faculty. This is only a very small example and can be further compared with the Cheerleaders, Teachers, various clubs, etc...... "
Concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:41 PM:
" In response to "Long Gone", I understand where you are coming from. I left too, but I came back. I respect your position and hope that you will wish your old home town good luck as it continues to experience the inevetible growing pains. Your prayers will also be helpful. See, this is how it is supposed to work! We have disagreed without being disagreeable. I think I like it!! "
addie wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:54 PM:
" mr.densmore didn't do anything illegal ths teacher and you need to get back to work this is your conf time and either you need to be preparing for your class or making calls to parents or hall duty you don't have time to waste on the computer! "
to to concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:56 PM:
" Densmore wasn't on the cruise last year when the tigerettes got drunk. Who's fault was that? "
Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:57 PM:
" There are two sides to every story and then there is the truth. Perhaps the best question is...where is the justice? People make mistakes...ALL
PEOPLE...Principals, Administrators,
Teachers, Parents and even students.
However, with mistakes come consequences...sometimes those are small insignificant consequences and at other times the consequences exemplify huge magnitude; not only for ourselves, but also for those around us. Thus seems to be the case here. If we look long and hard enough we could find fault in many areas, including that of our community. It takes the team of Parents, Teachers, and Administrators to properly educate a child. Would you care to guess how many of TISD students come from broken homes? How many parents don't know where their kids are, or whom they are with a great deal of time? How many parents don't bother to show up at school to support their child?
My point being that although this
incident occurred from a series of unfortunate events, as do circumstances in all our lives, what
it most important is the education of
these children. It is imperative that they are given the tools and resources to reach a higher education in hopes of prosperous adult lives; and that they are knowledgable in making the best decisions. Right now it is questionable about which adults are making the best decisions, but it is time to look forward to a brighter future for these kids. Mr. Densmore has reiterated that all week to teachers and students. He is loved
no doubt, and the support of the community is overwhelming.
Perhaps the question that should be
asked is "how does the blatant neputism" in this district play a
role...or does it? How does the
fact that there are persons in Administration without higher education
play a role...or does it? Should
promotions be decided due to Educational degrees? Integrity?
Work experience? Or all the above?
Perhaps there is too much control
in areas where neputism and lack of
education come together in this district...or does it?
It is time for the team of parents, teachers and Administrators to come together to help our kids! "
Re Ms. Dawson wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:13 PM:
" She probably found a school that's football field had astro-turf that while working the football game she could walk around and not sink in her high heels. "
WAY TO GO wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:14 PM:
" ADDIE! I was thinking the same thing. What's a teacher doing on the internet during school hours? And as far as the Tigerettes...that group has been nothing but a joke since '98. "
to concerned wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:35 PM:
" who do you think helped bob come up with those decisions (davis and Campbell)for the Tigerettes, lets not place the blame all on him now. lets place on who makes the rules up as they go and whose really afraid! "
Hollywood wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:03 PM:
" Hollywood ... the cast and crew!!! "Walt" Disney and Looney "Byrd" find themselves neck deep in a bowl of "Campbell's" soup. They made Bob walk the line and now they themselves are fearing walking the "Green" mile. All this because they are a part of the FBC mafia- teamsters union....what a plot. Give everybody a "Smith"field ham and make it right. "
Clarification... wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:03 PM:
" For those who don't yet know:
Teachers have a conference period. As other professions get a break during the day, we do too. We usually use it to make parent calls (if we can; we often don't have a good number during the day), grade papers, or do various 'administrivia'. We also use it for lesson prep, and many of us have been discussing this situation today with the kids and basing an assignment or two on it. We must, of course, know what's going on and must do a bit of research on it. It also helps to learn the public's opinion. If we're to teach the kids to have an informed opinion that they can back up with evidence (which I remember is a pretty useful skill on the TAKS test) we need to develop one as well. A few might also be attempting to place information here to help others produce that informed opinion.
Consider that, and also consider whether or not you're also reading this at work. "
2006 Graduate wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:17 PM:
" I still want to know what the heck is going on. I don't care what anyone says, Mr. D was a great principal. And from my understanding some stupid people are to blame for all of this. T.I.S.D are making too many mistakes in the educational system. AND WHAT THE HECK DO THE TIGERETTES HAVE ANYTHING TO ABOUT THIS !? "
Media 1 wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:17 PM:
" Dear Mr. TO MEDIA 1, If you truly believe that this is a third world country we live in here in Terrell I seriously pity you. All kidding aside you really ought to to to a third world country and maybe then you would see that even with all of the trials and tribulations here, we still live in a very wonderful place. I hope you can see through the mist to the good that has, is, and will be done in Terrell and in this State and Country. "
john carmona wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:26 PM:
" Ponder this: Are all of you alls "DUCKS" in such great sync that there is nothing more exciting in life than to sit and CONTINUOUSLY refresh this page to sink deeper into being completely oblivious to what is really happening to your "DUCKS" "
Hollywood wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:33 PM:
" sounds like somebody has a "Burr" under their saddle. Ouch!!! "
student wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:34 PM:
" Mr. Densmore was a principle for the students. He loved each and everyone of them and did what he could to help them. There aren't very many people out there who actually care about the kids like he did. And this had nothing to do with the Tigerette try-outs last year. That just dealt with immature mothers who wanted to get there way because their daughters didn't make the position they wanted to. Densmore was one of the best things at Terrell High school and him leaving isn't doing anything but hurting the school and the students. "
teacher that worked with Ms. Dawson wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:57 PM:
" Ms. Dawson loved the students and staff of THS and even though she wore high heels, which had nothing to do with job performance, she always had the best interest of THS and it's students at heart. Sounds to me like you had nothing better to do than watch her at a football game.
In reference to where she went, I believe she took a job as a special education director. "
To all of This Crap wrote on Feb 16, 2007 4:02 PM:
" This article has nothing to do with Tigerettes, Ms. Dawson, shoes, First Baptist Church, the kids skipping school, Ms. Burr or Mr. Wieland. It has only to do with Mr. Densmore losing his job cause of Mr. Davis and what is in store for the kids of Terrell High School. PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO FOCUS! "
come on now wrote on Feb 16, 2007 4:05 PM:
" Densmore felt like he should tender his resignation over god knows what, but he still did it in the best interests of the kids. Why can't Davis do the same? "
interested mom with very different views of Mr. D. wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:02 PM:
" All you parents that feel THS has lost a good thing in Mr. Densmore - did you directly have any one on one dealings with him? Well, I did and what a joke. Mr. Weiland is far more qualified than Mr. Densmore ever will be. If I have any problems, I go to Mr. Weiland. Mr. Densmore was scared to face harsh realities at THS. The discipline set forth by him was a joke, and if you needed his support for anything, you could forget it. Ask any of the teachers or staff that have left THS in the past few years and they will tell you he was a joke.
And for all of you that supported the Smith's - I hope you are happy - you backed them, voted for them, and now you got them, now look at what they are doing, you would think that since they are school board members, they would be able to abide by the policies, its another Clintion situation at TISD, he is the board member and she is running the show. "
Be Proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 6:06 PM:
" First...Parent, you are right on target.
I know what happened, and although Bob is a good person, he is NOT what THS needed.
Being a former teacher who worked under his control, I witnessed numerous illegal activities he committed....because he was a nice guy.
Teenagers in this day and age, don't need a "nice guy" showing them that you can bend the rules when you want and if your "MOMMA" screams loud enough, and if RACE is mentioned...don't get me started.
Every teacher on that campus has witnessed Bob's illegal actions...from the mass "cattle-style" graduation of our now current inmates, to the mass attendance approval for habitual skippers.
These kids learned a lesson...adults are dumb and that the rules don't apply to them. HUMMM...I believe that several of the Pizza Hut murder suspects were part of this graduation class....I would also put money on one being the Risinger attacker!
Quit complaining and be PROACTIVE.....we are NOT a color town, but a PEOPLE town. Vote and elect the RIGHT people for the job, not your church member that you can call on for a favor when you need something.
Those kids in the building are the FUTURE of Terrell! Students need to respect their leader, not think of them as their best friend! Are we sending our kids to school to make best friends with 50 year old adults? Oh, that's another issue THS once had....
Bob needed to go, and I know that Walt is his best friend and did NOT want to fire his bud. He gave Bob the best options that he could.
Bob will bounce back from this! He is an EXCELLENT public relations guy! I bet that he will have 3 interviews by this time next week. "
to be proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 6:57 PM:
" that pizza hut murders has nothing to do with mr.d you can blame that on walton. i don't know any high school where kids dont skip I have worked at alot. Many great ones too!They are still growing young people and some just need a break every once in awhile do you know who these kids are? some of these kids have parent problems some don't have good home life, some have problems with drugs and mr.d just tried to help them as best as he could so if that is bending the rules so be it! "
Excellent!!!! wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:33 PM:
" I for one have had one on one dealings with Mr. Densmore at the high school as well as past administration at the Middle School - that's why I drive my kids to Wills Point.
I think a great step in the right direction would be to fire all principals and vice principals with the exception of Mr. Moore at Burnett and THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION and start from scratch. I think with new leadership Terrell I.S.D. might actually stand a chance. "
Non-members wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:46 PM:
" If you don't have kids in TISD, you don't have any right to comment on this subject. So that is great that you drive your kids to Wills Point. Why don't you move there??? How about we just expect our kids to obey the rules and not blame teachers and admin. for their behavior or lack there of. "
Be Proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:40 PM:
" I have been in the "trenches" at THS....I KNOW where these kids come from and let me tell you.....high school is the last chance for many of these "lost, system" kids. I have seen too much first-handed..I can talk the talk because I have walked the walked...right out the door. :))))
You missed the point....Apparently you are just as gulity as oh Bob!! ha,ha...We have laws in this country and they are meant to be followed.
Terrell is losing many "good" citizens because the corrupt and people who want to blame everyone else for their problems are dominant!!!
Again, bye Bob....hello change...Change is good for everyone. You try and work in a hostile environment where teenagers can and do curse you and are given grades just to shut them up....Not what I got into education for.....
I am loving this sometimes intellectually stimualating board though......It is about time people are speaking up!!!
Bob did you realize you would have caused such a stir>>>> "
to be proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:50 PM:
" I work in terrell too! I have't done anything illegal I think bob was making change, did you look at his scores in Tx monthly or did you see the flyer that came out this past week that Davis forgot to get rid of that said that Ths is 16th ranked hs. I don't know where you have been but this is exactly what I signed up for making a differnce in kids lives even if it means being in the "trenches" as you say "
to be proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:52 PM:
" oh and by the way bob didn't stir this up WALT DAVIS did this "
To be Proactive wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:20 PM:
" I have worked with the kids at THS and if you think that teenagers cursing at the teachers or the administration only happens in Terrell you are sadly mistaken. I have worked with teenagers in different states and my family moved to Terrell because we saw a difference in the way teenagers acted towards adults. So, get your head out of the mud and realize it isn't just in Terrell and if you lived somewhere else it could be alot worse. "
wow wrote on Feb 17, 2007 12:35 AM:
" this is the most busy on line newspaper in the world, only if all the people who post would we would not have such poor leadership in government in kaufman county "
Stop Look & Listen! wrote on Feb 17, 2007 5:50 AM:
" I have read with great intrest all the notes. Mr Desmore is a fine man and a good teacher, the children love him and in the most part respect him.This whole point has been brought about by haste, we are quick to judge and whine.
The problem starts with the people of Terrell ISD District, the voters, how many people thought enough and cared enough to get off their backsides and vote in the last School election, I remember one election where 48 people made the difference and a very Small portion of voters turned out. We get what we vote for. The small town view of the people that are in there is our problem. School Board meeting was interupted by a Board Members Wife because, she was not given Special Treatment, and excused for taking her kids out of school for a vacation. Was not this the cause of the problem? Walt Davis is a poor excuse for a Superintendent not to stand behind his teachers, he cut & run what will he do next to cover his rear, he should have stood his ground and backed Mr Densmore. I know for a fact that the good old boy thing in Terrell is par for the coarse. We can get things done but not with the City and School Officials. We have to step up and go a little higher. The Federal boys might by the answer. Anyway next time People check them out and VOTE, then we don't end with this kind of mess, in the last School election the best man LOST!!! "
Close to Mr. Densmore wrote on Feb 17, 2007 6:30 AM:
" Those of us who are close to Mr. Densmore know how and why he feels for these kids and why he has faith for them and their future. He was one of those kids with no home. He lived on his own from a very young age. HE was one of those kids who got into trouble. He used to be one of those kids who loved to get in a fight. And HE knows redemption comes for kids who have the chance to find it. HE is the high-profile public figure who showed his re-commitment to faith and was re-baptized in from of the whole giant FBC a couple years ago. Some people think that teaching or raising children is all about the rod and some people think it's all about giving love. Densmore is in the LOVE camp and is happy to loose any teacher who would rather punish students than teach them. Any parent or person who truly LOVES a child knows you will and should DO ANYTHING to make sure that child has the best life he or she can. Sometimes that means you punish their wrongs so they can learn a lesson, sometimes they learn those lessons through natural consequences, and sometimes you do whatever you can, bend any rule and call in any favor you can to do things like get them a job, into college, out of legal trouble, safe at home, etc....If you can see that, you can see what's special about Bob and what that "EXTRA" thing is we should of Terrell teachers and other Terrell leaders. I'm so glad this forum is here. There is SO much this town has to talk about and I hope we can take what we learn here and grow. Anyone up for Starbucks before the board meeting Monday night? That's where I'll be. "
WillYouMakeADifference wrote on Feb 17, 2007 9:44 AM:
" Just terrible, a town that is on a path to total destruction. If you disagree answer the following questions? 1) Are you proud of your school system? 2) Do you think future developers will continue their interest in Terrell, when a major point focus is schools? 3) Are you happy with the medical facilities in Terrell? 4) Do you feel safe and know that local law enforcement is on top of the crime scene? 5) Do you find comfort that the leadership of this city has the capability and vision to make Terrell a great City? 6) Do you feel that the local School Board is capable of raising academia standards in our city? 7) Do you think the superintendent of Schools has the knowledge and pro-active thinking process to move the school agenda forward? 8) Do you think there is a racial divide in Terrell? 9) Do you think the City manager fully understands how to run an efficient city? If you answered NO more than 6 times to the questions above, you are of the 60% plus percentile who think Terrell is failing. Can it be fixed, YES. But the speed of the City is the Speed of the Leader, and without a proven Leader running all facets of this City it will continue on its downward spiral of destruction. "
To non members wrote on Feb 17, 2007 10:22 AM:
" My children do not attend Terrell Schools. However I pay more school/property taxes in one year than most pay in their entire lifetime. My wife and I also vote in every election and spend as much money in Terrell as we can (as oopposed to outside the city). Please do not infer we should keep our opinions to ourselves or have no opinion because our children do not attend Terrell schools. We cannot afford to think so narrowly here, sometimes the best ideas and help come from those who are on the outside looking in and not so caught up in the drama. "
THS Parent wrote on Feb 17, 2007 10:28 AM:
" Did any of the THS Senior parents get the same letter I received yesterday? In it Mr. D talks about Jan 29th & how attendance was not taken when the Seniors were in the Athletic Complex. He states "Attendance was not taken at 10:00 am but at 11:20 am. This is in violation of a TEA Attendance Code. For whatever reason, it was my responsibility that attendance is taken at 10:00am at Terrell High School..." The letter is dated 2-14. I'm curious why he started the sentence "For whatever reason..." To me this answers a lot of our questions. Not that I agree with his dismissal! We do have a similar situation coming up this week with the TAKs testing. What are the Seniors supposed to do? "
To Make Difference wrote on Feb 17, 2007 11:09 AM:
" Woah now,
I’ve got to use my real name here. I’m Jo Anna Matejka. You might know me. You might not like me. You might want to tear me down, but here’s what I think and I think I’m a credible source on these matters.
1) I am proud of our school system. Did you see the way our high school was honored in Texas Monthly? Have you examined our TAKS scores? Yes, there are problems. All schools have problems. Our schools have some amazing things going for them it’s not all bad. It’s 95 percent beautiful. It is true there that is a political problem and a leadership problem and a culture problem among our youth, but let’s not throw the baby out…
The biggest problem we have in education comes from the state and fed….We have some of our discipline problems because by law, we have to teach even those who do not want to learn. We have laws that have taken the responsibility of a child’s education away from his parents and his own self and put it on the backs of teachers and principals and school districts. I say, if a teacher MUST make a child pass the TAKS test or loose her job, then the teacher should have say over what time their students go to bed at night, what other activities the student participates in, what he eats and drinks, whether or not he takes his medication, whether or not he goes to church, whether or not he has one, two or no parents, etc.... Let’s get real here, we want our teachers to be momma, nurse, counselor, friend, social worker, etc…. We pay them AT MOST, about $60K (after 100 years of teaching, they start at about $37K in Terell), we give them nothing to retire to, or good, affordable health care benefits unlike other employees of the state, we expect them to work long hours, hold to a code of ethics beyond that of any profession, make kids who don’t want to succeed do just that, use their own money for classroom supplies, never get sick or have a personal life and we wonder why we don’t keep teachers and why public schools are in trouble…It makes me wonder if the incredibly intelligent people who came up with these laws really want public education to succeed, or are we setting it up to fail to promote some other agenda---vouchers maybe???.....
2) Of course developers will be interested in our city. Real Estate 101: location, location, location….The real question is: what kind of development do we want? In my opinion, we need to make our leaders servants the people who already live here, not ones who are interested in wooing developers. When we are a great city for our residents, we’ll be attractive to growth….
3) Wow, well the medical facilities. That’s a situation in flux because of the lease situation on the hospital, but in recent years, I believe our hospital has been one of the better medical facilities nearby. I base this opinion on my conversations with student nurses who have to do community service and internships in many medical facilities who have told me about their comparisons. One of my best friends, a very contentious and dedicated nurse, told me her assessment of our hospital is it is one that is superior in its care of patients, cleanliness, orderliness and overall environment. In other healthcare news, there’s probably few better places to live if you need mental health care. Our MHMR and State Hospital serve our community wonderfully. We have doctors just about every 100 feet. If there’s anything we need it would be a walk-in clinic, Planned Parenthood, and more dentists who offer more insurance options.
4) Our Police Service does a wonderful job, responds quickly, solves crimes….again, look at their stats. Chief Miller’s vision is inspired, if anything, he needs more power to make staff changes. In many ways, his hands are tied by civil service laws….so we are still stuck with some bad apples. But as a bunch, I would want any other basket….
5) Our city leadership, city management is highly competent….not perfect, but let’s remember, we elect the city council, which for the most part is full of excellent people. If we don’t like them, we should treat them better and make ista job worth doing, act civil in elections and make it rewarding instead of punishing for people to run for office. I know a lot of terrific, intelligent people who won’t serve because of the beating that comes along with it. We all have to turn away from mud-slinging if we want good leadership—and that goes for how we treat those in all public office…..
6) It is true our current school board is inexperienced. You people voted out the dedicated people who had served for years, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of the job. We need to hold them accountable, attend meetings, insist on open communication and give them a chance. I am close to several trustees and I know them personally to be excellent at their job. Then again, there are some who don’t even show for meetings or are for whatever reason reticent of speaking their opinion (maybe it’s our culture of treating elected officials spitefully???). I have always thought the paper should print an attendance and voting record for every meeting and training session. I also think audience members should be in the loop at meetings. It’s crazy to complain about a lack of interest on behalf of the public when items are considered in the following way: Everyone look behind tab 2. Let’s vote on the resolution--When the audience does not have the workbook. I have told members of the administration that I cannot believe they can call it an open meeting when they operate this way and it wouldn’t take any effort and cost only pennies more to put those things on an overhead. This stuff is public record. It is handed to the press in a packet. The same goes for city and county meetings. Officials should be required to wear name badges and should feel free to represent us vigorously without fear of harsh and disrespectful criticism.
7) As for our superintendent, he is competent. I do wonder if he will be able to continue leading under these conditions (all of the uproar and controversy, etc…) It will be up to the school board to decide what to do. I am talking to my area representatives. I hope you are too.
8) No, I don’t believe in a “racial” divide. If you remember, at one point I wrote a series on the history of desegregation in Terrell schools. I won a Texas Press Association award for some of it. I talked to people on many sides of this matter and my feeling is there is a great deal of racial unity. If there is a divide, there is an economic one. Who you know and what kind of education, job, neighborhood you have relates most strongly back to economic background. The primary thing we need to look at when we consider neighborhood schools is economic diversity, not racial diversity. It doesn’t matter how many of what race you have in which school. If you have wealthy black kids in one and poor Hispanic kids in another, you are going to see a divergence in performance and people who don’t think deeply and look closely will call that a racial divide. It’s just a fact, if both your parents have to work two jobs to keep your family afloat---or if they have to drive out of town for a job, they won’t be there as much to help you succeed and if one of your parents can stay at home and come to every school event you’ll do better. We need to look at how this town supports families. We need to make it our every day practice to take care of our own: Black, brown or blue-we’ve got to be in it together.
I love this town. I love our schools. I have been discouraged by some of the things I have seen lately, but I believe the statement “Terrell is a third-world country” is an insult. Some people think the only place to live is Plano or Frisco. They look at our potholes and some of our poverty and put us down. Poor is not bad. And rich does not equal righteous.
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Charles Anderson wrote on Feb 17, 2007 11:34 AM:
" No racial divide? It's one of the only cities that I can recall that IS segregated to a large degree. Everyone knows this. Once you cross that train track going either way, you are in a different part of Terrell. That works for opinions as well. This city bands together based on what side of the tracks you fall on. I see a ton of development on the North side, but not so much on the South. If you don't think that this city is racially divided by more than just opinions, I think you have missed some things. Until you address all of Terrell, not just one side, it will continue to be divided. "
Thank you, Jo Anna! wrote on Feb 17, 2007 2:34 PM:
" Finally someone who sees the bigger picture! The great divide in this community is NOT race, but socioeconomic status. Until this is addressed, schools EVERYWHERE will have a tough time leaving no child behind...especially here in Terrell, where roughly 70% of our students qualify for free or reduced lunch. Bravo for your insightful and on-target post! Charles Anderson...have you been on the south side lately? Lots of new housing developments, lots of families of MANY races moving in...and the same goes for the north side as well. Terrell is a lot more diverse than people think...especially those who have lived here a long time. I work with families all over town, and am all over the place every day. I know many white and Hispanic families who live on the south side of town, and I know many black and Hispanic families who live on the north side. Don't forget the east side as well, because there is as much diversity there as anywhere. The main issue with whatever "side" of town people live on is MONEY, not skin color. The sooner people accept that as fact and stop hiding behind their personal fears and prejudices which allow race to be the percieved issue, the better. "
sad wrote on Feb 15, 2007 7:36 AM: