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THE 7:48 MARK
District shootout ruined by game-ending brawl
By Cliff Gibson: sports@terrellribune.com
MABANK – Storylines were plentiful in Friday’s clash between Terrell (2-4, 0-2) and Mabank (3-2, 1-0) in a District 15-4A contest, but it will unfortunately be the game’s ending that will get all the attention.
Mabank quarterback Kolton Browning lived up to his billing and the Terrell offense got the boost it needed with the return of veteran quarterback Logan Smith.
However, a sideline-clearing brawl with 7:48 remaining in the game forced officials to stop the game and award Mabank a 35-21 victory at Panther Stadium.
The fight began immediately following the third extra point by J.D. Simmons, after Terrell had scored to close the gap to 35-21.
About 10 minutes later, once players from both teams had traded punches and law enforcement had restored order, game officials called the game with just under eight minutes to play.
Browning, who had entered the game with more than 1,200 passing yards and 15 TDs in four games, did a number on the Terrell defense, completing 26-of-44 passes for 309 yards and three touchdowns.
He also added 128 rushing yards and a rushing TD to give him 437 total yards for the game.
Smith returned from an injury sustained in the season-opener to pass for 199 yards and two touchdowns with two interceptions.
He completed 14-of-28 attempts and rushed for 42 yards.
Josh Winfield hauled in a 51-yard TD catch and P.J. Morris established himself as the go-to guy in Terrell’s passing game with four grabs for 104 yards and a touchdown covering 48 yards.
Mabank scored on its opening series, covering 61 yards in seven plays and ending with an 8-yard pass from Browning to Jake Birch. Michael Blackburn added the first of his five successful PATs for a 7-0 lead.
Late in the first period, Mabank needed just one play to double its lead, as Browning hooked up with Brandon Rascoe (6-123-2 TDs) on an 81-yard TD reception for a 14-0 lead.
Terrell would respond quickly, as a 23-yard run by Joel Wren (team-high 62 rushing yards) set up Smith for a 48-yarder to Morris. Simmons’ kick made it 14-7.
Early in the second period, Terrell made it a tie game as the Tigers marched 72 yards in 10 plays and Marquice Strange finished the deal with a 5-yard run.
Simmons locked the score at 14-14 with another PAT.
In the third period, Mabank separated itself from the Tigers with 21 straight points.
The Panthers opened the second half with a 65-yard drive that was capped off by Browning’s 13-yard pass to Rascoe for a 21-14 advantage.
After Terrell turned the ball over on an interception by Mabank’s Darius Robertson, it took Browning just four plays to lead another scoreing drive, ending with a 10-yard run by Anthony Hendrix.
Just a couple of minutes into the final period, Browning took things personal, running for first downs and punishing would-be Terrell tacklers in the process.
Browning led Mabank on its final scoring drive of 34 yard after a short Terrell punt, and the all-state quarterback called his own number and punched it in from two yards for a 35-14 lead.
Terrell answered in just three plays as Smith ran for one yard and connected with Morris for 18 more before dumping a screen pass to Winfield, who outran defenders and raced 51 yards down the sideline for the final touchdown of the game.
Once the PAT was good, mayhem followed.
Players from both teams were seen throwing punches, slinging helmets and kicking each other.
Mabank quarterback Kolton Browning lived up to his billing and the Terrell offense got the boost it needed with the return of veteran quarterback Logan Smith.
However, a sideline-clearing brawl with 7:48 remaining in the game forced officials to stop the game and award Mabank a 35-21 victory at Panther Stadium.
The fight began immediately following the third extra point by J.D. Simmons, after Terrell had scored to close the gap to 35-21.
About 10 minutes later, once players from both teams had traded punches and law enforcement had restored order, game officials called the game with just under eight minutes to play.
Browning, who had entered the game with more than 1,200 passing yards and 15 TDs in four games, did a number on the Terrell defense, completing 26-of-44 passes for 309 yards and three touchdowns.
He also added 128 rushing yards and a rushing TD to give him 437 total yards for the game.
Smith returned from an injury sustained in the season-opener to pass for 199 yards and two touchdowns with two interceptions.
He completed 14-of-28 attempts and rushed for 42 yards.
Josh Winfield hauled in a 51-yard TD catch and P.J. Morris established himself as the go-to guy in Terrell’s passing game with four grabs for 104 yards and a touchdown covering 48 yards.
Mabank scored on its opening series, covering 61 yards in seven plays and ending with an 8-yard pass from Browning to Jake Birch. Michael Blackburn added the first of his five successful PATs for a 7-0 lead.
Late in the first period, Mabank needed just one play to double its lead, as Browning hooked up with Brandon Rascoe (6-123-2 TDs) on an 81-yard TD reception for a 14-0 lead.
Terrell would respond quickly, as a 23-yard run by Joel Wren (team-high 62 rushing yards) set up Smith for a 48-yarder to Morris. Simmons’ kick made it 14-7.
Early in the second period, Terrell made it a tie game as the Tigers marched 72 yards in 10 plays and Marquice Strange finished the deal with a 5-yard run.
Simmons locked the score at 14-14 with another PAT.
In the third period, Mabank separated itself from the Tigers with 21 straight points.
The Panthers opened the second half with a 65-yard drive that was capped off by Browning’s 13-yard pass to Rascoe for a 21-14 advantage.
After Terrell turned the ball over on an interception by Mabank’s Darius Robertson, it took Browning just four plays to lead another scoreing drive, ending with a 10-yard run by Anthony Hendrix.
Just a couple of minutes into the final period, Browning took things personal, running for first downs and punishing would-be Terrell tacklers in the process.
Browning led Mabank on its final scoring drive of 34 yard after a short Terrell punt, and the all-state quarterback called his own number and punched it in from two yards for a 35-14 lead.
Terrell answered in just three plays as Smith ran for one yard and connected with Morris for 18 more before dumping a screen pass to Winfield, who outran defenders and raced 51 yards down the sideline for the final touchdown of the game.
Once the PAT was good, mayhem followed.
Players from both teams were seen throwing punches, slinging helmets and kicking each other.
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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the view of terrelltribune.com.
jodaddy wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:29 PM:
" mabank beat the crap outta them terrell tigers in the game and in the brawl. terrell started the fight and mabank held their own and proved that they weren't pussies.. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:37 PM:
" why did Terrell start the fight? There must be more to it than what you are saying. "
Terrell DP wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Not sure it matters who started it. These are High School kids playing a game. For it to end up with violence that required security and police to break it up is sad and embarrassing for the school and the city. Blame has to be shared by both schools head coaches and coaching staffs for letting it get that far. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:56 PM:
" Takes two to fight, don't instantly blame Terrell, who knows what really happened!
Mabank threw the punches too. "
Mabank threw the punches too. "
peace wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:45 PM:
" “Jodaddy” did you attend the game? Didn’t think you did. I was at the game and I saw what happen. Terrell did not start the fight. THE BOYS DID WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT CALL SELF DEFENSE. They took a beating from the referees, coaches and staff not the other team. The referees should have stopped the first two guys from fighting and ejected them from the game but the sorry referees sat back and watched along with Terrell Head Coach. I do agree with the statement that this never should have gotten this far and if we as parents would have stood up for our children and gotten rid of these UNTALENTED coaches from the beginning our boys would not be in this predicament. Terrell DP you sound more like the TERRELL PD but I totally agree with you, it do not matter who threw the first punch. We should look at the past as just that the past and see what we can do to help our children. Now is the time to come together and squash this matter. "
icurn wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:48 PM:
" We were at the game. From what we could see, a Tiger threw the first punch, then the entire Mabank team swarmed the field, followed by the Tiger bench. Both teams are guilty, but what caused the melee to get out of hand, was the Mabank team running onto the field. "
icurn wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:06 PM:
" "Peace" - There was, at the max, 5 seconds between the first punches and the Mabank team swarming the field. I wouldn't call that time enough for the Terrell Coach to "sit back and watch." You obviously have issues with our coaches. I'm sure that both schools and coaches will be penalized in some way, but the boys also need to take some responsibility and learn that there are consequences for their actions. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:16 PM:
" Icurn I agree with you. It happened quickly and in a matter of seconds, the Mabank team was up, and then of course, the Tigers are going to run to defend what Terrell player(s) is left out there on its own. These kids from each team, are responsible. The easiest thing for all of you to do, is to blame the coaches. yes, we are not winning, and the coaches are responsible for that, but our boys knew better. It just got out of hand too quickly. I am sure the administration will take care of the matter promptly and correctly. You can't blame your childs behavior on the coaches, you as a parent have to take resonsiblity for it too. It's just easier to say it's someone else's fault "
Survivor wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:18 PM:
" So a number of illogical Gee supporters have said numerous times that we should give the guy a break because even though the Tigers aren't having any success on the field, he's teaching them great character. Tell me, where was that character Friday night?
So who's the first person to start FirePeteGee.com?
C'mon people, the guy can't coach and he can't teach discipline and character. All Gee is doing is stealing a paycheck - one I'm sure would anger lesser-paid classroom teachers.
FIRE PETE GEE!!!!!!!! "
So who's the first person to start FirePeteGee.com?
C'mon people, the guy can't coach and he can't teach discipline and character. All Gee is doing is stealing a paycheck - one I'm sure would anger lesser-paid classroom teachers.
FIRE PETE GEE!!!!!!!! "
peace wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:28 PM:
" “icurn” no I do not have an issues with the coaches I have respect for all teachers, coaches, principal and anyone dealing with 100’s of personalities and attitudes at one time. But like you, I’m just calling what “I” saw. I’m sorry if my stop watch wasn’t working like yours where I could time everyone actions. I’ll do better next time. I agree that everyone should take not some but all responsibility and learn that there are consequences for their actions but that will not change my view point. We need new coaches…….. "
jodaddy wrote on Oct 4, 2008 7:54 PM:
" "peace" i played in that game. they way i see it the terrell players were getting frustrated cuz we were beating them and the terrell player threw the first punch and cleared their sidelines first. we cleared our sideline and started to pull people off until the terrell players started hitting us. don't get me wrong, we know what we did was wrong be we were only defending ourselves and our home turf. we accept full responsibility for everything that happened and we've alread y had to run for it and further punishment will be given "
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:15 PM:
" Jodaddy you have got to be kiddin me. I have it on video and we know who cleared the bench first, which was mabank ......being lead by their coaches.!!!!! of course.......WAY TO GO MABANK COACHES, that is being the adults and showing your kids what not to do. I should have know that your a stupid little kid by making a comment on who won the fight. I hate to tell you little boy but you and your precious mabank team is not the winners. The true winners are the ones who stayed on the side line and watched how stupid their teammates were beiing .Those are the boys that are disciplined. It is very sad that it happened and yes the correct actions will be taken on both teams which needs to be. Sucks for the seniors, what a way to go out and screw up any scholorships. "
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:22 PM:
" Oh yeah by the way tigers you messed up and will have to learn this lesson the hard way. Now all you can do is hold your heads high, take the punishment like young men. Learn a lesson from this so that it will never happen again. It's time for terrell tigers to have some change and that starts with Pete Gee. Good luck TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 4, 2008 8:53 PM:
" The dumbest thing i have heard is Survivor writing about starting a website FirePeteGee.com . He has a family , and nobody deserves some lynch mob going after them like this. Excuse me, but the main people in our children's lives that should be teaching them character is THEIR PARENTS. Those children that chose to stay on the sidelines were taught that at home and at school. "
lostworld wrote on Oct 4, 2008 9:32 PM:
" I was at the game as well, with the Tiger team. There were players telling the coaches that they needed to do something different to help with certain things. Coaches told us that if we didn't do what they wanted since they knew best, then we could go home since we were not really needed anyway if we could not do what we are told! They only discipline coach Gee knows is do it his way win or loose, he doesn't care anyway since we are just pawns in his horrible losing chess game. "
tiger pride wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:09 PM:
" Unfortunately the situation at Terrell has gotten worse in athletics. The kids just don't respect their Coach and never have. You can't tell young men this will happen or that will happen and then change your mind the next day because the wind is blowing in a different direction. Kids coming straight out of DAEP and playing on Friday night and just an overall lack of discipline is sad. Our coaches teach a lot of kids character and the kids look up to them. Hopefully we can get coaches in to teach and reinforce character, integrity, and honesty along with the parents. We all have a role together to make our community better. It starts in athletics with changing the football coach and AD "
wowpaople wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:49 PM:
" ok i was playin in the game on the terrell and ill jus say for the fact to the mabank player what game were you playin in that our bench cleared first for the record we have it on film that your bench cleared first bein lead by your coaches and i dont know what started the fight ya maybe we did start the fight but its your bench that made it as bad as it got....our player came on after yours and after our quarterback was getting jumped by 3 dudes with his helmet off ya what could we do when we see that???we have to help.....and when we did go out there mabanks coaches were grabbin our players and throwing them down and they should of never touched our players you grab your own players not the other teams and it even got as bad as on of there coaches grabbed our player by the throat!!!wow what a man grabbin a kid by the throat what a way to stop a fight...and to all the people that say gee does nothin he actually does alot and our players have been great int he class rooms and everything this year and sorry we were protecting our players when their bench cleared first.....and to all those who say the coaches are the reason for the out come of the game wow honestly what kind of message are you sending????something is not going right and you blame someone else and not the players on the field????ya we missed those blocks we dropped those passes and we missed those tackles not the coaches you dont blame coaches for game that could of been won by the players........and if your an adult with that point of view what kind of person are you????do you blame every one else for the stuff you do???then why are you blaming the coaches for our mistakes ya think about that....and back to the mabank player ya'll had to run??ya half our team might be gone, futures gone, colleges gone....thanks "
icurn wrote on Oct 4, 2008 10:55 PM:
" "lostworld" - Are you serious? The players have no right to tell the coaches how to play the game. And you should be sent home if you can't or won't do what they say. That is discipline. "
icurn wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:01 PM:
" "wowpaople" - That's the smartest thing that has been written yet! I applaud you for taking responsibility and sticking up for your coaches. "
wowpaople wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:07 PM:
" and to "lostworld" when did the coaches ever tell us to go home???and we did what they said and we were right in the game til we started makin mistakesadn im not stickin up for anyone im just doin what our coaches have taught us to do....they say if you mess up take it like a man and make it rigth and dont blame anyone for your mistakes...... "
EsETeach96 wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:56 PM:
" If "wowpaople" is an example of the quality of education in the Terrell school system, then it's a wonder there has not been something like this happen prior to this game. Maybe the Terrell administrators should be more worried about academics than athletics. No wonder a fight broke out. There was probably plenty of foul language on the field by both coaches (teachers??!!) and players. Parents: Your childs morals and values come from you. Their actions are a direct reflection of your character. Educators: TEACH! Worry more about educating todays youth than district championships!! GET A GRIP PEOPLE! Does it really matter which team started what? What is really important to you? Football or your childs Future? "
wowpaople wrote on Oct 5, 2008 12:15 AM:
" how am i an example of terrell education??and yes i know your being sarcastic, are you calling me stupid???b/c i would love for you to have a kid in school and i just want to compare their grades to mine b/c pretty sure mine will be alot better.........and sorry if im not proof reading my comments if thats what you're basing your assumptions on then im sorry that i dont have enough time to sit here all day and write a college level essay for you "
icurn wrote on Oct 5, 2008 12:20 AM:
" "esETeach96" - I agree that his grammar and spelling is atrocious and I'm usually the first one to correct it when I see it, but I wanted to congratulate him on his mature way of taking responsibility. Give the kid a break! Look past his misspellings and listen to his words. "
wowpaople wrote on Oct 5, 2008 12:34 AM:
" thanks "icurn" through all these comments you have been the voice of reason.....and yes im not the strongest speller in the world or typer but alot of this is just my mind running faster than my fingers and me not reading back....but i dont think "EsETeach96" should base their entire perception of terrell education based on my inability to spell, that just seems like they are trying to find a reason to look past my ideas and find something wrong b/c they know im right "
golfingnut wrote on Oct 5, 2008 3:07 AM:
" wowpaople, I applaud you for taking responsibility for your actions. I hope that cooler heads will decide what's to happen. I have read much about the fight and how it started. I haven't seen the video....would like to, but from what I am reading, not only here, but on other sites is that no one except wowpaople is willing to take responsibility for their part. I have heard parents from Mabank say they didn't do anything, except defend themselves, and even on one post on another site said that it was ok for their coach to hit another coach because he obviously had a good reason, but yet couldn't show that same respect to Terrell and say they maybe had a good reason for their actions. I hope to see a video soon, and check it out. Thanks wowpaople for acting like a man. I wish you the best the rest of the year and into your future. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:56 AM:
" Wowpaople, thank you for writing how you feel and what really happened. Your writing was the voice of reason for this entire thing. This whole thing has been about Coach Gee, but you stood up for your actions and said what happened. I think you are doing a great job. Your parents and your coaches have taught you character and discipline. I can plainly see that. Thank you are taking the focus off Gee and the other coaches, and putting it on the real facts.
You must be a really great kid, i encourage your other classmates to do the same. "
You must be a really great kid, i encourage your other classmates to do the same. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:07 AM:
" golfingnut, what is the other blog\website you are talking about "
lostworld wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:31 AM:
" Wowpaople - you didn't hear what was told to us on defense because you might not have been there with us at the time. We were told to play off the rec. at least 5 yards, but they were running short and completing passes. We said something, and coach told us to keep playing off because we were too slow to catch up if they got past us. They were making easy passes everytime, we only suggested playing closer. Coach said players do what they are told, we are the coaches. If we didn't like it, go home because we were not needed if we didn't do what they said. Yeah we jumped in and joined the brawl on the field, but felt like we had no choice after being told to do what we say or go home. I love football, and I guess I was just following the lead of my coaches by joining in the fight. Maybe I was scared of not getting to play if I ignored their direction. Now I may not get to play at all anymore. I did what I was told and now I regret it! "
BIG DAWG wrote on Oct 5, 2008 3:05 PM:
" If you want to know when this fight started watch the whole game film. On the second play from scrimmage a mabank player kicks the terrell quarterback in the head well after the whistle was blown right in front of an official with no call. If you can't see it, it's because it was so late the film had stopped rolling that is how late it happened after the whistle. The refs lost control early and never regained it. Still no excuse for what happened, because it was wrong, but the zebra stripes weren't doing a very good job. "
Duck Man 35 wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:58 PM:
" First of all i am a mabank football player and i was in the middle of the fight. during the extra point attempt one of the terrel players was punching our guys in the ribs. after the play our player from mabank started walking towards him and i grabbed him and he through me off. now granted at this time the referes should have seen this and stopped the whole thing but they didn't. i got back up off the ground and stood between our mabank player and the terrel player our player said "what was that [the punching in the ribs] for?" the terrel player stuck the mabank player in the face with a fist and no other words were said and the five terrel guys jumped on top of me and the other mabank player i got speared in the back along with the players next to me on the field. our coaches were then seen runnin on the field but not to fight but to try and restrain players. as were the terrel coaches to. the terrel bench was the first to clear in the mass confusion. and i have to tell you this i was on the bottom of that pile and if it wasn't for our coaches and players i would have been severly hurt no doubt. i also would have been mad for the lack of help from my teammates. when i got up from the pile i witnessed terrel players running to our sideline and spearing other mabank players in the back.
thats the story from a first hand point of view and you cant argue with that. and stop saying well we have the film. it dont matter the film was immediatly sent to the uil for review nobody but them have seen it so far. "
thats the story from a first hand point of view and you cant argue with that. and stop saying well we have the film. it dont matter the film was immediatly sent to the uil for review nobody but them have seen it so far. "
Duck Man 35 wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:02 PM:
" also i am embarrased for our team and terrel things that that shouldn't happen i would like to apologize to everyone wether it be from terrel or mabank. the fight escaladed into way to much. and yes both sides had the right intentions to defend their players but the terrel players had no right to hit our mabank player our for the 5 guys behind him to jump on top of us thats what escaladed the situation is the terrel players on the field juming me and my player without warning. "
jodaddy wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:19 PM:
" i fully agree with duck man 35. the situation never should've got this far outta hands. from what i hear terrell is nothing but a bunch of hoodlums and trouble makers and you could tell from their lack of discipline on the field. the mabank players were at first trying to help pull terrell players off then the terrell players started running to our sideline so our players defended theirselves. as for the coach hitting the other coach, i think he had his reasons but he should've had the knowledge not to do so. i too am a mabank football player and i accept full responsibilities for my teammates and we are truly sorry for our "retaliating" actions. we were just trying to help our team at first. the terrell players started the whole thing due to frustration cuz they were getting beat by so-called slow white boys and the sorriest team in the district. uil should not forfeit any games but should just put the teams on probation and any minor infraction of that probation should lead to forfeits and suspensions. "
blackshirt54 wrote on Oct 5, 2008 10:43 PM:
" now i dont beleive in lieing so im going to put this point blank how i saw the fight from the 10 yard line. From my point of view (i dont know what was said) a terrell player hit one of my teammates while he was being held back. Then the rest of the terrell players around that area joined in not just hitting and kicking the trash talker but the one who was holding him back. i dont know who sidelines cleared first to tell you the truth and to yall terrell players no our coaches didnt lead the charge nor did they fight they were trying to save yall from embarrasement. I'm sorry to my teammates for not joining the fight, its just i thought about my future and didn't want kansas to quit looking at me, it was a bad decision on my part to let my teammates get beat on for a few seconds while i watched but it made me feel a little better when yall werent getting beat on but beating them "
TigerMom wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:26 AM:
" My son in played that game. When he turned around on his way off of the field, and witnessed that our QB was being jumped by three Mabank players, he instinctively ran to his defense. He did not know who started what at that point; he was simply trying to get those three guys off of our QB.
Understand this too: This was the first game back for our QB after sustaining injuries from a previous game--serious injuries to his lung among other body parts. So undoubtedly, the knowledge of this too, prompted my son to run to his defense, without giving it a second thought.
My son is a very good boy, and a pacifist, in general. He would never be one to start a fight, and never has. That said, he is one to come to the defense of a friend in trouble, and that is just what he did in this case. "
Understand this too: This was the first game back for our QB after sustaining injuries from a previous game--serious injuries to his lung among other body parts. So undoubtedly, the knowledge of this too, prompted my son to run to his defense, without giving it a second thought.
My son is a very good boy, and a pacifist, in general. He would never be one to start a fight, and never has. That said, he is one to come to the defense of a friend in trouble, and that is just what he did in this case. "
lostworld wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:35 AM:
" I think every player involved should be repremanded by the UIL, suspended for the year for all sports. All coaches involved should be suspended and forfeit all remaining games for this season. Each of us that played a part in this should be punished. This is not an incident where we should just get a slap on the wrist, there could have been serious injuries from this and even criminal charges filed against some. We need to take responsibility for our actions, stop blaming others, and saying who beat who, who won this, who lost that.....who, who, boo hoo! Man-up and take what is coming to us all. "
Football grandma wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:04 AM:
" After reading some of the comments, I was wondering if I was at the same game. I saw two Terrell players beating the life out of a Mabank player . I seen Mabank coaches go out to try to break it up. Then I seen the benches cleared. Terrell is going to have to excuse Mabank. We were just bumped up to 4A Ball and were not use to behavior like we seen from Terrell players. No, the teams should not have cleared the benches but even cubs protect there own. Welcome to 4A MABANK ! I HOPE THIS TYPE OF FIGHTING WAS AN ISOLATED EVENT. Mabank community, coaches, players and parents are not use to this type of behavior at football games. I love The Panthers and they deserve better from UIL. "
MabankMom74 wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:26 AM:
" I was at the game too.....and Terrell players made it all the way across the field to Mabank side to jump in. Mabank and Terrell players made it to the same spot on the field at the same time.....who left what bench first? Everyone should be punished, but we will see who gets what. All depends on who you know and what you contribute! "
theexpected wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:44 AM:
" Mabanks 360.....when terrell used to put it on mabank there was no trouble, the mabank players were actually found very friendly....But give mabank some confidence and a good quarterback and they don't know what to do with it.....The whole fight was terrell repeatedly being jumped by mabank players as well as mabank players swinging their helmets at Terrell players as soon as they got to the pile....Come on mabank, you can't think that your team is good, just your quarterback.....he did all the work, how do you drop a pass on the two yard line when you are wide open.....Referees should have got control of the game long before this fight broke out.....I stand by terrell that they did the right thing by defending themselves.......Everyone deserves punishment but the ones swinging their helmets from mabank should definitely get more punishment........2003 season terrell 74 and mabank 0......mabank will never be that good and after this quarterback leaves they will be back to being sorry "
Football grandma wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:57 AM:
" A reply to "the expected". I can see why your team has a problem with attitudes like yours. Fighting is wrong by all players even Terrell. I guess that you seen from your side lines and we had a good seat from ours. I just said that we have never had a problem at our games. I guess Terrell is use to it! Our little town does not behave like that! "
momof4 wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:19 PM:
" I wasn't at the game, but I have read all the comments and have spoken with people that were there...both adults and kids, I am from Terrell....and have a son that plays 9th grade football for the Tigers...and I have to say that this whole incident is just sad....fighting to this degree...or any degree, is wrong...self defense is one thing, but things must have gotten out of hand, on both sides. I am just at a total loss as to how will this situation be resolved, as I am sure both sets of coaches for both teams will most likely point the finger in the other direction...regardless, there ismore than just the immediate players to consider. It is very sad to think that either of these schools could be done for the year...that the boys, on either side, that were involved, may loose their football season...possible scholarship opportunties...etc..but there are others on both sides that may be hurt from this. The bands, the cheerleaders, the drill teams...I just think it is so unfortunate that it got to the point it did..and I hate to think of ALL the kids that could be affected by it....no just the football players and coaches, that is bad enough...My hope is that something will change, that somewhere through all of this that someone will step up...be it Mabanks fault, or Terrel's fault, or a combination of the two...someone step up and make the change...to help these kids...to move forward somehow and allow both teams to have the rest of their seasons...for the football boys who just want to play, for the Band kids who just want to march, for the drill teams and cheerleaders that just want to dance and cheer...please someone, look at the whole picture. "
football mother wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Mothers, grandmothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, coaches, teachers, outsiders etc. let it go, it happen Friday and here it is Monday and tempers are still at a high. We should all AGREE to DISAGREE and let the UIL have the final word. Come on people what kind of example are we showing our kids when were blasting at each other like you're doing? My son play for Terrell his comment about the entire thing right now is “mom why are the grown ups getting into this, why want they just let it go because we have?” Please, let the film be the voice for the UIL. The coaches (both teams), boys (both teams), and the referees will all get what they deserve, even my son who by the way, did not punch or strike anyone and still got kicked of the team. You want to do something for your child or grandchild pray for him. "
terrell tiger fan wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:45 PM:
" At this point why are people still trying to point fingers, is it to try and make themselves feel better about what happened??? People the damage has been done.... it's time to move on. These young men to need apologize for their actions and take the punishment like men. I know good and well that both teams do not act like this. No matter where you come from, how much money someone has, or the color of your skin, none of those matter. The players will be punished, I'm certain the coaches will be. All of this BS for what because someone of the players let their tempers get the best of them. Its a shame. "
AnotherTigerFan wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Perhaps some anger management and conflict resolution classes are in order for those involved. I am saddened by the course of events taken by both teams...and all this fighting is not showing our young people the Christian way to handle problems. We need to lead by example. It really does still take a village to raise a child. Many of these kids don't know how to resolve issues without their fists. Our communities need to teach our children that there is a better way to intervene. I am praying about it and I hope you are as well. "
Tommy Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:57 PM:
" So I've read pretty much all the comments that have been left on this page and what I see are a bunch of bias opinions. I was at the game. But I am not going to stick up for any team. I do believe that Terrell started it by throwing the first punch, but whose to say that Mabank didn't antagonize earlier? I don't know what brought it on exactly, but I do know that when it's all said and done, Mabank whooped up on the Terrell boys. It's not like each team said "Hey, I think I'm gonna start a fight today.". They were just playing a game and sometimes things like this happen, especially in a physical sport like football. Hopefully, everyone will be able to play in the weeks to come.
oh and by the way, to THEEXPECTED, who cares how good or bad Mabank was in the past. The time is NOW and the fact remains that Mabank won that game and I'm pretty confident they can do it again if the UIL allows them to. "
oh and by the way, to THEEXPECTED, who cares how good or bad Mabank was in the past. The time is NOW and the fact remains that Mabank won that game and I'm pretty confident they can do it again if the UIL allows them to. "
TigerMom wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:16 AM:
" For what its worth, and from the information I have, a Tiger did not throw the first punch.
-Why this all probably escalated to the point it did, was that there were many calls by the refs, unjustly called. But this is nothing new to the Tigers; it's just that added to that, was a situation where all who were able to see as much as they could see from their viewpoint, felt the need to defend their own, and acted on it.
In my opinion, there needs to be a real accountability of the refs in this game. Play the tapes, UIL, see what the refs saw, did, and called. Then you too may begin to ask yourselves, "Why didn't they call that?" -Or, "Why did they ignore that dirty play?"
If the responsibility for this tragedy belongs on anyone's shoulders, it is on the shoulders of the refs, who by not calling the game fairly, led up to the outburst of frustration from both teams. "
-Why this all probably escalated to the point it did, was that there were many calls by the refs, unjustly called. But this is nothing new to the Tigers; it's just that added to that, was a situation where all who were able to see as much as they could see from their viewpoint, felt the need to defend their own, and acted on it.
In my opinion, there needs to be a real accountability of the refs in this game. Play the tapes, UIL, see what the refs saw, did, and called. Then you too may begin to ask yourselves, "Why didn't they call that?" -Or, "Why did they ignore that dirty play?"
If the responsibility for this tragedy belongs on anyone's shoulders, it is on the shoulders of the refs, who by not calling the game fairly, led up to the outburst of frustration from both teams. "
TigerMom wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:32 AM:
" AnotherTigerFan wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Perhaps some anger management and conflict resolution classes are in order for those involved. I am saddened by the course of events taken by both teams...and all this fighting is not showing our young people the Christian way to handle problems. We need to lead by example. It really does still take a village to raise a child. Many of these kids don't know how to resolve issues without their fists. Our communities need to teach our children that there is a better way to intervene. I am praying about it and I hope you are as well. "
-Yes, excellent point, AnotherTigerFan. I asked my own son about that...."What were you told to do if you witnessed a fight on the field, one of your team being beat up, or many being beat up? What was the plan in place, told to you, should that happen?"
-He couldn't recall that kind of conversation being addressed to the team.
So yes! Anger management and conflict resolution skills need to be understood by these young men, not only for when they are on the field, but in dealing with any relationship be it personal or otherwise.
-That said, even if they understood all of that, upon seeing their buddy being beat up by another....it all might not even mean a thing in that kind of situation.
The time for conflict resolution still remained, for example, when our QB was horse-collared and the refs ignored it/him, and when he said something right then, to one of them, & was cussed at and told to get out of there, by that ref.
That was a golden opportunity for the ref to make the right call and resolve that conflict.
But instead.......didn't.
I don't think it's our kids who need the skills as much as it is the refs....and others involved. They just deal with what is given them. "
" Perhaps some anger management and conflict resolution classes are in order for those involved. I am saddened by the course of events taken by both teams...and all this fighting is not showing our young people the Christian way to handle problems. We need to lead by example. It really does still take a village to raise a child. Many of these kids don't know how to resolve issues without their fists. Our communities need to teach our children that there is a better way to intervene. I am praying about it and I hope you are as well. "
-Yes, excellent point, AnotherTigerFan. I asked my own son about that...."What were you told to do if you witnessed a fight on the field, one of your team being beat up, or many being beat up? What was the plan in place, told to you, should that happen?"
-He couldn't recall that kind of conversation being addressed to the team.
So yes! Anger management and conflict resolution skills need to be understood by these young men, not only for when they are on the field, but in dealing with any relationship be it personal or otherwise.
-That said, even if they understood all of that, upon seeing their buddy being beat up by another....it all might not even mean a thing in that kind of situation.
The time for conflict resolution still remained, for example, when our QB was horse-collared and the refs ignored it/him, and when he said something right then, to one of them, & was cussed at and told to get out of there, by that ref.
That was a golden opportunity for the ref to make the right call and resolve that conflict.
But instead.......didn't.
I don't think it's our kids who need the skills as much as it is the refs....and others involved. They just deal with what is given them. "
In Shock wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:45 AM:
" To Football Grandma & other Mabank Members: OMG! This is crazy!!!! I was not at the game but I feel the need to protect Terrell. Come on - they are kids just like your kids. Don't blame yourselves, the teachers, coaches, etc.... They were caught in the moment and they did what all stupid high school kids do - THEY REACTED! They are punishing themselves enough. Just let it go!!!!! Terrell is a good place and our kids are just as good as yours. Let's hope that the UIL officials will allow another game so these boys can start over fresh! Don't categorize Terrell because of what happened. "
Terrlefan08 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:28 PM:
" Well me being a tiger fan i was at the game also. I watched as our stupid little quarterback had to run over there and lay a big hit in the middle of the field. Im sorry to say it but not only the head coach but also our quarterback. Mabank Does have a good quarterback but it takes other people to block or even run a route. Also I do recall that Colton their quarterback had a couple good hits on some of our players. Im not taking Mabank's Side but like i said if our quarterback would have stayed put nun of this would have happened. you know that quarterback deserved to get ganged up on by three of the panthers and thats what he gets "
bewildered wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM:
" Attn: Terrlefan08
Obviously you are from Mabank.
Enough said. "
Obviously you are from Mabank.
Enough said. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:30 PM:
" Don't call yourself a Terrell fan and then badmouth our team. That is contradicting yourself, Move east is they are so much better there. It'sMabank, for crying out loud. but, seriously you can't really call yourself a tiger fan can you? I will just chalk it up to immaturity. Let these kids deal with what they have done and quit trying to point fingers at whoever you want.
ATTENTION Mabank fans- you_ _ _ _ just like the rest of us. "
ATTENTION Mabank fans- you_ _ _ _ just like the rest of us. "
Terrlefan08 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:46 PM:
" By the way im not a mabank fan because i played against them in the 2003 series against mabank and WE WON!!!! 74-0 so if you have seen the video like yall say you have then watch our little quarterback run right into the back of that panther. "
Terrlefan08 wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:50 PM:
" OH! and givemeabreak
im sure your not a little kid so dont act like it.
If your gonna say something say it. My computer dont beep out words you wont say. "
im sure your not a little kid so dont act like it.
If your gonna say something say it. My computer dont beep out words you wont say. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:58 PM:
" I have no idea what you just tried to type. I won't spend my time argueing with you either. These teams are both responsible and yes, several have seen the tape. If you read the entire article the superintendent saw the tape after the game Friday night. So have the coaches. The administration from both districts will do what is needed. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:06 PM:
" Terrlefan08 - quote in paper regarding you saying has anyone really seen the tape...
The film has been reviewed by many people and we are dealing with some things internally and Mabank is doing the same,” Rodgers said Monday morning. “The executive committee will also hand out punishment as soon as they can meet.” "
The film has been reviewed by many people and we are dealing with some things internally and Mabank is doing the same,” Rodgers said Monday morning. “The executive committee will also hand out punishment as soon as they can meet.” "
justabystander wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:47 AM:
" i think it was unnecessary and both teams and coaches should be punished. I know the punishment but i cant comment on that and it was a very bad choice how they punished "selected few" players only. i think anyone that was out on the field should have been punished. dont knock out the little guy and leave the star players to go free, no, that may hurt the team.....dumb move "
Football Mom wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:04 PM:
" OK look Terrell Fans and Mabank Fans, I have sons that played the game on Friday.Each team was wrong and they know it . Even though a terrell player hit a mabank player in the ribs for a belay hit on your QB and a Mabank pushing one of your player from Terrell when he was running to the side line ( is how the fight started in the first place) Does not matter any more the game is over BOTH sides did wrong and should have known better so let it be until the UIL makes up their minds on what is to happen I know that some of the terrell player have gotten in to trouble all ready. Has Mabank players gotten in trouble yet ? "
footballfan wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:51 PM:
" In response to Football Mom's last question, I have it from good sources that Mabank has disciplined 3 players for their retaliating actions at the game including game suspensions. And, unless you have seen the films of the game showing the beginning of blows being thrown, you may want to refrain from casting blame. "
givemeabreak wrote on Oct 4, 2008 12:09 PM: